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As a Pinephone user, i am grateful for such project as it is important to upstream changes instead of end with shattered ecosystem of per-device distributions.

As a Pinephone user, i am grateful for such project as it is important to upstream changes instead of end with shattered ecosystem of per-device distributions. But the default UI based on Phosh is problematic. Minimal configuration, broken and convoluted approach to scaling makes it rather hard to use. Also, no project mailing list?

k1rcher 5y ago
Semi-unrelated: I’ve been eyeing the Pinephone for quite some time now. Do you use yours as a daily driver? Or have you paired it with an a more-mainstream iPhone/Android? I’m currently using an iPhone as my social circle uses primarily uses iMessage and I’ve found it hard to migrate. As a secondary device for debugging, testing, and a “burpsuite playground” I’m using an extremely cheap Nokia I picked up a few years ago. I think a Pinephone would be cool to replace the Android I have.
- vlunkr 5y ago
  Semi-unrelated again: Apple loves to lock you into their ecosystem (need an iPhone to use Apple Watch, etc), but iMessage is incredibly effective and often overlooked. If you use it heavily and want to move away from Apple, your options are to simply not take part in those conversations, or to convince everyone else to switch to something else. It sucks.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    I heard this is really a big thing in the US yeah. Here in Europe iMessage isn't really a thing at all. Probably because apple's marketshare is so much lower. I know many people with iPhones but nobody ever tried to invite me to an iMessage group chat. Nobody even tried to message me with it directly, because it would have switched over to SMS and I've literally never had an SMS from a person. Just automated notifications and spam. Not that we're much better off here because we're still stuck with proprietary stuff like WhatsApp but at least it's not locked to one platform.
- zajio1am 5y ago
  Currently, i am using it mainly as a tablet/web-browsing device when i am not near my desktop computer. My primary SIM is in an older Android phone. It would need some more work to get Pinephone ready to replace all important tasks i use the Android phone for.
- kop316 5y ago
  I personally do not use my Pinephone as a daily driver, and the main thing that stops me from using it is MMS support (I am also the lead dev on integrating MMS into the Pinephone). As soon as MMS is fully integrated, I will use it as a daily driver.
  - ryanmentor 5y ago
    I have a Pinephone on order and MMS is my one final checkbox too. I actually planned to get my hands dirty checking it off. Now that this has some attention, what can people like me and other readers do to help you get this over the finish line? (thank you!)
    - kop316 5y ago
      Hello! Long story short, I have been working which the Chatty developer to integrate MMS support into his program: https://source.puri.sm/kop316/chatty/-/tree/wip/sadiq/mm-account https://source.puri.sm/kop316/chatty/-/tree/wip/sadiq/mm-acc... The primary program for MMS support is here: https://gitlab.com/kop316/mmsd/ https://gitlab.com/kop316/mmsd/ I have a few TODOs on that (which I haven't had tine for recently, but I should be able to get back to it this week). There's a few TODOs in there, so maybe work on them? (But then again, it's more a function of working with the chatty Dev than anything else). Help testing and refining the code is also welcome too! There is also a Matrix room you are welcome to join if you want to help, or to see how things are: https://matrix.to/#/!ZpAVqiESnSBiERBbjK:matrix.org https://matrix.to/#/!ZpAVqiESnSBiERBbjK:matrix.org
  - kaba0 5y ago
    How is the performance of the UI? Is it still likes to get really warm? I haven’t tried mine nowadays, and there is always great progress when I check back, but I simply can’t imagine using it as a daily driver.
kop316 5y ago
> But the default UI based on Phosh is problematic. Why do you say that? EDIT: Sorry, I did not read your whole comment. I would offer that Phosh has gotten more and more mature, and I find it to work extremely well now. > Also, no project mailing list? Most communication with Mobian happens on the Matrix Channel: https://matrix.to/#/#mobian:matrix.org https://matrix.to/#/#mobian:matrix.org
- zajio1am 5y ago
  > Why do you say that? Well, my main issue with Phosh is that it seems to be designed with assumption that display scaling is set to 2. But Pinephone display is not high-DPI enough to justify that, so many applications are unusable with that (or need application-specific workarounds, like setting zoom to 50% in Firefox and terminal to counteract that). One can set display scaling to more fitting 1, which fixes applications but breaks Phosh, who now has icons too small to be practical on touch screen. And i do not see a reasonable way to confugure icon sizes short of replacing GTK resources for that or perhaps writing custom GTK-CSS style for that.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    That sucks. In modern touch-enabled UI, "display resolution scaling" and "touch element size scaling" should be fully independently adjustable, to the extent practicable. I don't think projects like GTK have that kind of support built in at present. Having responsive UI layouts for small sized screens is great but it just isn't the full story.
  - kop316 5y ago
    Interesting. I unfortunately don't know enough about Phosh to comment on it, but I wonder if you bring it up to the Phosh developers, they may have better commentary on design choices?
  - khimaros 5y ago
    have you already tried the instructions here? https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=tweaks#display-related-tweaks https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=tweaks#display-r...
atlantis_ 5y ago
Isn't the point of open source to contribute rather than complain about what others haven't done?

k1rcher 5y ago

Semi-unrelated: I’ve been eyeing the Pinephone for quite some time now. Do you use yours as a daily driver? Or have you paired it with an a more-mainstream iPhone/Android? I’m currently using an iPhone as my social circle uses primarily uses iMessage and I’ve found it hard to migrate. As a secondary device for debugging, testing, and a “burpsuite playground” I’m using an extremely cheap Nokia I picked up a few years ago. I think a Pinephone would be cool to replace the Android I have.

vlunkr 5y ago
Semi-unrelated again: Apple loves to lock you into their ecosystem (need an iPhone to use Apple Watch, etc), but iMessage is incredibly effective and often overlooked. If you use it heavily and want to move away from Apple, your options are to simply not take part in those conversations, or to convince everyone else to switch to something else. It sucks.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  I heard this is really a big thing in the US yeah. Here in Europe iMessage isn't really a thing at all. Probably because apple's marketshare is so much lower. I know many people with iPhones but nobody ever tried to invite me to an iMessage group chat. Nobody even tried to message me with it directly, because it would have switched over to SMS and I've literally never had an SMS from a person. Just automated notifications and spam. Not that we're much better off here because we're still stuck with proprietary stuff like WhatsApp but at least it's not locked to one platform.
zajio1am 5y ago
Currently, i am using it mainly as a tablet/web-browsing device when i am not near my desktop computer. My primary SIM is in an older Android phone. It would need some more work to get Pinephone ready to replace all important tasks i use the Android phone for.
kop316 5y ago
I personally do not use my Pinephone as a daily driver, and the main thing that stops me from using it is MMS support (I am also the lead dev on integrating MMS into the Pinephone). As soon as MMS is fully integrated, I will use it as a daily driver.
- ryanmentor 5y ago
  I have a Pinephone on order and MMS is my one final checkbox too. I actually planned to get my hands dirty checking it off. Now that this has some attention, what can people like me and other readers do to help you get this over the finish line? (thank you!)
  - kop316 5y ago
    Hello! Long story short, I have been working which the Chatty developer to integrate MMS support into his program: https://source.puri.sm/kop316/chatty/-/tree/wip/sadiq/mm-account https://source.puri.sm/kop316/chatty/-/tree/wip/sadiq/mm-acc... The primary program for MMS support is here: https://gitlab.com/kop316/mmsd/ https://gitlab.com/kop316/mmsd/ I have a few TODOs on that (which I haven't had tine for recently, but I should be able to get back to it this week). There's a few TODOs in there, so maybe work on them? (But then again, it's more a function of working with the chatty Dev than anything else). Help testing and refining the code is also welcome too! There is also a Matrix room you are welcome to join if you want to help, or to see how things are: https://matrix.to/#/!ZpAVqiESnSBiERBbjK:matrix.org https://matrix.to/#/!ZpAVqiESnSBiERBbjK:matrix.org
- kaba0 5y ago
  How is the performance of the UI? Is it still likes to get really warm? I haven’t tried mine nowadays, and there is always great progress when I check back, but I simply can’t imagine using it as a daily driver.

kop316 5y ago

> But the default UI based on Phosh is problematic. Why do you say that? EDIT: Sorry, I did not read your whole comment. I would offer that Phosh has gotten more and more mature, and I find it to work extremely well now. > Also, no project mailing list? Most communication with Mobian happens on the Matrix Channel: https://matrix.to/#/#mobian:matrix.org https://matrix.to/#/#mobian:matrix.org

zajio1am 5y ago
> Why do you say that? Well, my main issue with Phosh is that it seems to be designed with assumption that display scaling is set to 2. But Pinephone display is not high-DPI enough to justify that, so many applications are unusable with that (or need application-specific workarounds, like setting zoom to 50% in Firefox and terminal to counteract that). One can set display scaling to more fitting 1, which fixes applications but breaks Phosh, who now has icons too small to be practical on touch screen. And i do not see a reasonable way to confugure icon sizes short of replacing GTK resources for that or perhaps writing custom GTK-CSS style for that.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  That sucks. In modern touch-enabled UI, "display resolution scaling" and "touch element size scaling" should be fully independently adjustable, to the extent practicable. I don't think projects like GTK have that kind of support built in at present. Having responsive UI layouts for small sized screens is great but it just isn't the full story.
- kop316 5y ago
  Interesting. I unfortunately don't know enough about Phosh to comment on it, but I wonder if you bring it up to the Phosh developers, they may have better commentary on design choices?
- khimaros 5y ago
  have you already tried the instructions here? https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=tweaks#display-related-tweaks https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=tweaks#display-r...

atlantis_ 5y ago

Isn't the point of open source to contribute rather than complain about what others haven't done?