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As unpopular as I think this opinion is, I can't help but agree. If you want a hackable phone there are literally thousands of different Android phones that you

by Dig1t 5y ago

As unpopular as I think this opinion is, I can't help but agree. If you want a hackable phone there are literally thousands of different Android phones that you can buy for a fraction of the price that you can tweak/hack to your heart's content.

Stevvo 5y ago
The key difference is with Android you can take responsibility for your own security if you choose; it's a Linux not so different to any other. On iPhone you don't have that option, and you have no way of knowing if your phone was compromised.
jonny_eh 5y ago
But none work with Apple Watches, nor do they work with iMessage.
- haswell 5y ago
  There’s a saying about cake that seems to apply here. Again, there are other options for both. Android wear devices are still a thing, and there are multiple options that aren’t SMS that are available to the Android ecosystem. If you want to live in the Apple ecosystem, that comes with some tradeoffs. Can’t have it both ways.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Actually, there isn't. It's perfectly possible to be able to have a process to request bootloader unlocks from Apple, and also be able to use the ecosystem. The entire point of the saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too is that, well, it can't be both in your hands and in your stomach. But it's perfectly possible for me to be able to call Apple and get a bootloader unlock code, without any other change to anything.
    - haswell 5y ago
      The general point behind the proverb boils down to "you can't have it both ways" or "you can't have the best of two worlds". That's essentially what the parent comment is trying to do. When offered the Android ecosystem as an alternative, the counterpoint was to lament the lack of Apple Watch and iMessage support in the Android ecosystem. This is textbook "I want it both ways".
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    While it's literally impossible to have cake and to have eaten it, it's not impossible to have a good phone and a hackable one, in a single device.
    - haswell 5y ago
      The cake thing was in response to you wanting Apple Watch and iMessage…on Android. This is the definition of wanting it both ways. I don’t think anyone would argue that it’s technically impossible, but that should not be mistaken with “practically impossible” given Apple’s business model.
      - jonny_eh 5y ago
        I don't want iMessage on Android, I want a hackable phone that supports iMessage too. I realize that's not really possible now, but it's not a logical impossibility, like being alive and dead at the same time.

by Dig1t 5y ago

Stevvo 5y ago

The key difference is with Android you can take responsibility for your own security if you choose; it's a Linux not so different to any other. On iPhone you don't have that option, and you have no way of knowing if your phone was compromised.

jonny_eh 5y ago

But none work with Apple Watches, nor do they work with iMessage.

haswell 5y ago
There’s a saying about cake that seems to apply here. Again, there are other options for both. Android wear devices are still a thing, and there are multiple options that aren’t SMS that are available to the Android ecosystem. If you want to live in the Apple ecosystem, that comes with some tradeoffs. Can’t have it both ways.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Actually, there isn't. It's perfectly possible to be able to have a process to request bootloader unlocks from Apple, and also be able to use the ecosystem. The entire point of the saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too is that, well, it can't be both in your hands and in your stomach. But it's perfectly possible for me to be able to call Apple and get a bootloader unlock code, without any other change to anything.
  - haswell 5y ago
    The general point behind the proverb boils down to "you can't have it both ways" or "you can't have the best of two worlds". That's essentially what the parent comment is trying to do. When offered the Android ecosystem as an alternative, the counterpoint was to lament the lack of Apple Watch and iMessage support in the Android ecosystem. This is textbook "I want it both ways".
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  While it's literally impossible to have cake and to have eaten it, it's not impossible to have a good phone and a hackable one, in a single device.
  - haswell 5y ago
    The cake thing was in response to you wanting Apple Watch and iMessage…on Android. This is the definition of wanting it both ways. I don’t think anyone would argue that it’s technically impossible, but that should not be mistaken with “practically impossible” given Apple’s business model.
    - jonny_eh 5y ago
      I don't want iMessage on Android, I want a hackable phone that supports iMessage too. I realize that's not really possible now, but it's not a logical impossibility, like being alive and dead at the same time.