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At this point, I don’t believe a word this man says. Everything has been turned upside down because of politics and my trust and faith in government scientist i

• Yoric 5y ago
  Seeing this from Europe, I don't really know or care about US politics. However, when it comes to science, I tend to trust scientists (government or otherwise) quite a bit more than, well, non-scientists. Especially in a political environment where everything gets distorted as a matter of fact. Doesn't mean that Fauci is necessarily right. But I'm yet to see someone with verifiable scientific credentials hold an opposite point of view.
  • hn8788 5y ago
    Before the past year I would have agreed with you, but since Fauci admitted that they initially lied about masks not working because they wanted to save them for healthcare workers, I don't think he has much credibility.
    • loopz 5y ago
      Experts are not infallible, as you'd like them to be. Are you infallible? Before Covid the prevalent opinion among experts is that masks require training to handle properly, otherwise they wouldn't "work". Mind you, they are then thinking about high contagion zones, like in hospital wardens filled with sick people. In such cases, even better equipment and proper handling is paramount. It was unknown then that regular masks could help, but the consensus shifted during the pandemic as people needed better protection. So even cloth masks were deemed helpful, if just to somewhat prevent making others sick. Later studies found masks helpful, though distancing even more so. Someone lied to you about this being lies, and not just shifts in consensus and measures during the pandemic. "Nobody" expected a pandemic, for example US pandemic response taskforce and planning were disbanded and defunded.
      • kcplate 5y ago
        Since Fauci admits that he intentionally misled the public, does this mean that Dr. Fauci lied about this being a lie?
        • loopz 5y ago
          Do you got a credible source that says what you state here?
          • kcplate 5y ago
            https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-masks-question-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-m...
            • loopz 5y ago
              Thanks, but he did not claim all of what you claimed though. I remember more reasons than that for why experts recommended masks to go to qualified personell. Which still was the best usage for those masks at that particular time. Besides, this is from a bad-faith hearing after the fact, not concretely what was said and done at the time by who. You'd have to include the entire context for that to be fair.
              • kcplate 5y ago
                He conveyed in that clip that his advice about public masking was influenced by the need to preserve PPE due to what was expected to be shortages needed for Covid care if the public was to panic purchase surgical masks. If the concern was for preservation of masks for the protection of healthcare workers, then they have some degree of efficacy and he was aware of that fact. So his conveying that they did not provide efficacy to the public to preserve the PPE was being intentionally misleading. You may agree with his decision or his logic behind the misdirection, but it was most certainly a lie by its most pure definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie
    • Dwelve 5y ago
      As far as I can tell Fauci has never provided any evidence for this claim. At this point you're simply picking the lie you want to hear. If you can show me emails where the "health experts" unanimously agree it's necessary to keep masks away from the general public I'll gladly change my view on this but as of now it's just another lie from a discredited liar.
  • bookofsand 5y ago
    Fauci holds enormous power on how research money is granted or withheld. You're going to hear very few professional scientists, which desperately need grant money, speak against Fauci. That is until Fauci is removed from his position of power. I'm not following the Fauci situation closely either. But there are scientists of the opinion that the Wuhan lab, partly funded by US money via Fauci, was playing with fire. For example, in this tread someone else posted (in support of Fauci) an article that contains this fragment: > Paul cited Richard Ebright, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Rutgers University and a critic of gain-of-function research, who disagrees with the NIH. Ebright has said that the EcoHealth/Wuhan lab research “was — unequivocally — gain-of-function research.” https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-round-2 https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-ro...
  • readflaggedcomm 5y ago
    Would a physician saying what Paul did change anything?
• adamrezich 5y ago
  this is the biggest result of the past few years: half the nation's population implicitly trusts the government more than ever before, and the other half trusts it less than ever before. the consequences of this will not go away anytime soon for the downvoters: the bifurcation is not down party lines
  • adamrezich 5y ago
    still baffled by the continued downvotes, anyone have any insight as to what's wrong about my above statement?