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I kindly disagree. It may appear that chess is a memoization game, but when or if you want to become a master of the game , you'll notice that rote learning wil

I kindly disagree. It may appear that chess is a memoization game, but when or if you want to become a master of the game , you'll notice that rote learning will not take you there. You do need to understand phases of the game, set up strategy, estimate your position, know when to attack or to defend, and have confidence in your technique. Mind you, that is only for the plain master title (FIDE or even a national master). Grandmasters are a whole new level in comparison, aliens.

reader_mode 5y ago
But this wasn't my critique. Chess strategy is again chess specific, the things that translate are going to be superficial. You can draw parallels between many domains, like there are phases, strategy and coordination in many competitive online games, and I'd argue that the cooperative nature translates better to most real world than chess. Chess has this poetic image of playing around with kings, queens and pawns that lets artist paint grandiose metaphors about real world, but at the end of the day spending a bunch of time on chess is going to make you good at chess, doubt it will do much better than any other similar hobby for transferable skills.
- antaviana 5y ago
  Kasparov wrote a book called „How Live Imitates Chess“ that tries to prove you wrong.
- talentedcoin 5y ago
  Agreed. Taleb coined this the “ludic fallacy”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludic_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludic_fallacy “… the focus on those pure, well-defined, and easily discernible objects like triangles, or more social notions like friendship or love, at the cost of ignoring those objects of seemingly messier and less tractable structures.”
- lupire 5y ago
  Any hobby falls to the same criticism.
  - reader_mode 5y ago
    Which is exactly my point, chess is just another game but it has this social status where it's a sign of intelligence or whatnot. The whole thread is in response to OP making such claims.

reader_mode 5y ago

But this wasn't my critique. Chess strategy is again chess specific, the things that translate are going to be superficial. You can draw parallels between many domains, like there are phases, strategy and coordination in many competitive online games, and I'd argue that the cooperative nature translates better to most real world than chess. Chess has this poetic image of playing around with kings, queens and pawns that lets artist paint grandiose metaphors about real world, but at the end of the day spending a bunch of time on chess is going to make you good at chess, doubt it will do much better than any other similar hobby for transferable skills.

antaviana 5y ago
Kasparov wrote a book called „How Live Imitates Chess“ that tries to prove you wrong.
talentedcoin 5y ago
Agreed. Taleb coined this the “ludic fallacy”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludic_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludic_fallacy “… the focus on those pure, well-defined, and easily discernible objects like triangles, or more social notions like friendship or love, at the cost of ignoring those objects of seemingly messier and less tractable structures.”
lupire 5y ago
Any hobby falls to the same criticism.
- reader_mode 5y ago
  Which is exactly my point, chess is just another game but it has this social status where it's a sign of intelligence or whatnot. The whole thread is in response to OP making such claims.