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How much did they rake in from selling FSD vaporware?

by jtlisi 5y ago

octopaulus 5y ago
Many $ from happy customers, many autonomous kilometers driven, have fun in your Ford focus
DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
This vaporware recently drove 95%+ of a 2000 mile road trip for me. If only other vaporware was like this ...
- kensai 5y ago
  Each and every modern car has a driving assistive system. It is vaporware since it is still no autonomous drive as touted for, but simply an assistance to the driver which requires his permanent attention. I have been much more impressed with HUDs in common cars lately. Now that, although definitely not related to autonomous is a huge help to offset the cognitive load.
- mperham 5y ago
  Both your POVs can be true. It's not "full" if it's missing the 5%. In that sense, it's vaporware.
- nixass 5y ago
  I too use my adaptive cruise control on German Autobahn and barely touch any commands while on it, I'd say it covers 95% of my needs too (it's not Tesla). And I call it as it is, adaptive cruise control, not the FSD
  - pedrocr 5y ago
    Adaptive cruise control doesn't steer the car. That plus "Lane Keep Assist" is mostly what Tesla "Autopilot" does. "FSD" does a bit more right now but not nearly as much as has been promised.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
    This is adaptive cruise control to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW75nKPMoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW75nKPMoY
    - what_ever 5y ago
      This[1] part of the video really gives you the confidence to use AP for anything other than adaptive cruise control to you? Stopping a spot before is okay, but the abrupt stop, in the middle of two lanes, understanding the correct traffic light but then still creeping ahead... 1: https://youtu.be/sYW75nKPMoY?t=1190 https://youtu.be/sYW75nKPMoY?t=1190
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    - nixass 5y ago
      No, that is just horror
- orourkek 5y ago
  For that figure to be true you would have to ignore the requirement that you maintain awareness and control of the vehicle at all times. Autopilot !== FSD. Your car did not "drive itself," you were in control of the car 100% of the time — at least I hope so...
  - DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
    In terms of workload, there is a huge difference between monitoring a system as opposed to hyper-focus and constant micro-adjustments for hours on end. The car stays in the lane as if on rails, passes other cars and takes exits. It also stops at traffic lights off highway and then continues as it turns green (if following a lead car). I know what I paid for. And I am getting my money's worth given how much it has kept improving. The new FSD Beta looks even more promising. It's swiftly reaching the point where it is a question of liability and regulatory approval.
  - xeromal 5y ago
    I see my FSD as watching a new driver about 18 years old. It's not amazing, it's a bit jerky, but watching an 18 year old drive vs having to drive is still a reduction in mental stress. It makes commutes bearable.
- typon 5y ago
  I have a Lexus with lane-keeping assist and adaptive cruise, on a 9 hour trip on Canadian highways, I have had to disengage only when I am exiting the highway to make pit stop. Should Lexus market their "Full Self Driving" capability too?
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
    Sure, as soon as your Lexus does that with just an OTA update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_mF0OLJPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_mF0OLJPs
- bambax 5y ago
  You're lucky to still be alive.
- ajross 5y ago
  Only 1700 miles here (Portland<->Yellowstone). And straight up: this was the most relaxing and engaging road trip I've driven, anywhere, in any car, since I got my license in 1990. Standing up after a leg driven by the AP is just magic: no stiffness, no soreness. It's no different than if I'd been sitting in an office chair. No, check that. My office chair frankly isn't as comfortable as the car.
  - fomine3 5y ago
    A bit off topic: every car sheets are heavily underrated compared to other chairs. Even cheaper car sheets are very comfortable for various use compared to cheaper chairs. I wish there are more recycling market for car sheets.
bob33212 5y ago
I bought at 48k car in Q1 partially because of the autonomy potential. If FSD doesn't meet your expectations then don't buy it.

How much did they rake in from selling FSD vaporware?

by jtlisi 5y ago

How much did they rake in from selling FSD vaporware?

octopaulus 5y ago

Many $ from happy customers, many autonomous kilometers driven, have fun in your Ford focus

DarmokJalad1701 5y ago

This vaporware recently drove 95%+ of a 2000 mile road trip for me. If only other vaporware was like this ...

kensai 5y ago
Each and every modern car has a driving assistive system. It is vaporware since it is still no autonomous drive as touted for, but simply an assistance to the driver which requires his permanent attention. I have been much more impressed with HUDs in common cars lately. Now that, although definitely not related to autonomous is a huge help to offset the cognitive load.
mperham 5y ago
Both your POVs can be true. It's not "full" if it's missing the 5%. In that sense, it's vaporware.
nixass 5y ago
I too use my adaptive cruise control on German Autobahn and barely touch any commands while on it, I'd say it covers 95% of my needs too (it's not Tesla). And I call it as it is, adaptive cruise control, not the FSD
- pedrocr 5y ago
  Adaptive cruise control doesn't steer the car. That plus "Lane Keep Assist" is mostly what Tesla "Autopilot" does. "FSD" does a bit more right now but not nearly as much as has been promised.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  This is adaptive cruise control to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW75nKPMoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW75nKPMoY
  - what_ever 5y ago
    This[1] part of the video really gives you the confidence to use AP for anything other than adaptive cruise control to you? Stopping a spot before is okay, but the abrupt stop, in the middle of two lanes, understanding the correct traffic light but then still creeping ahead... 1: https://youtu.be/sYW75nKPMoY?t=1190 https://youtu.be/sYW75nKPMoY?t=1190
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  - nixass 5y ago
    No, that is just horror
orourkek 5y ago
For that figure to be true you would have to ignore the requirement that you maintain awareness and control of the vehicle at all times. Autopilot !== FSD. Your car did not "drive itself," you were in control of the car 100% of the time — at least I hope so...
- DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
  In terms of workload, there is a huge difference between monitoring a system as opposed to hyper-focus and constant micro-adjustments for hours on end. The car stays in the lane as if on rails, passes other cars and takes exits. It also stops at traffic lights off highway and then continues as it turns green (if following a lead car). I know what I paid for. And I am getting my money's worth given how much it has kept improving. The new FSD Beta looks even more promising. It's swiftly reaching the point where it is a question of liability and regulatory approval.
- xeromal 5y ago
  I see my FSD as watching a new driver about 18 years old. It's not amazing, it's a bit jerky, but watching an 18 year old drive vs having to drive is still a reduction in mental stress. It makes commutes bearable.
typon 5y ago
I have a Lexus with lane-keeping assist and adaptive cruise, on a 9 hour trip on Canadian highways, I have had to disengage only when I am exiting the highway to make pit stop. Should Lexus market their "Full Self Driving" capability too?
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  Sure, as soon as your Lexus does that with just an OTA update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_mF0OLJPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_mF0OLJPs
bambax 5y ago
You're lucky to still be alive.
ajross 5y ago
Only 1700 miles here (Portland<->Yellowstone). And straight up: this was the most relaxing and engaging road trip I've driven, anywhere, in any car, since I got my license in 1990. Standing up after a leg driven by the AP is just magic: no stiffness, no soreness. It's no different than if I'd been sitting in an office chair. No, check that. My office chair frankly isn't as comfortable as the car.
- fomine3 5y ago
  A bit off topic: every car sheets are heavily underrated compared to other chairs. Even cheaper car sheets are very comfortable for various use compared to cheaper chairs. I wish there are more recycling market for car sheets.

bob33212 5y ago

I bought at 48k car in Q1 partially because of the autonomy potential. If FSD doesn't meet your expectations then don't buy it.