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That's a good point. At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom. Anything you don't want someone seeing should be

That's a good point. At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom. Anything you don't want someone seeing should be done within a stall. At best I would consider a public restroom as having increased privacy, but by no means being private. I understand that's probably a hard sell though, as people have some idea that it's verboten to record in the open space of a public restroom (it's definitely frowned upon, but I think police cameras are a good exception to have, especially if they need to enter the restroom to perform their jobs because that's where a disturbance is), so whatever gets more camera use in the end I'm on board with, from a practical standpoint.

giantg2 5y ago
"At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom." They expect that the law should be followed, which stipulates no recording. Companies have tried for a long time to have security cameras in bathrooms, but it's not allowed. Now if they're responding to a call, then maybe that's an exception. Or they could change the law to allow recording in the bathroom, but there will probably be a ton of public pushback.
- kbenson 5y ago
  I'm not saying the law should be ignored. I'm just not entirely sure why the law exists as it does, or think that it's ill written to account for certain situations. A large bathroom with twenty people (or more! bathrooms at large events or in large airports can be big) in it is not what I would consider private. I think (but could be wrong) what most people actually care about is that their stall is private (or in the case of urinals, that someone isn't to the side recording what they consider a small private wall space area), but since that's hard to account for and some stalls/urinals already have poor privacy to the rest of the bathroom, we got what we have now. Honestly, to me it seems like a lot of bother to hide bits of our body that we should all be a lot less concerned about shame about in the first place, but I'm not holding my breath on any change there in the U.S.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "or think that it's ill written to account for certain situations." I agree with this, for many laws really.
smegger001 5y ago
Perhapes we should just require the camera to be turned on and on their person for them to have the legal privileges and protections that we grant to law officers. If they turn it off or leave it behind for example during a restroom break then they are, under the eyes of the law, a civilian until it is turned back on. and any evidence "found" somewhere that they had gone without the camera while off the clock as it were is either inadmissible or must have a hire bar to be able to be used. so on planting drugs on a piss break to just walk in again with the camera on and "find it"
- corpdrone2021 5y ago
  This seems like the most straightforward way to handle this.
gnicholas 5y ago
> At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom. Anything you don't want someone seeing should be done within a stall. If a man at a baseball game went into the restroom and up to the trough holding a smartphone that was clearly recording, he would undoubtedly find trouble. People expect not to be recorded in the bathroom.
- hermitdev 5y ago
  It depends, I suppose. Others might egg the guy on to do something really stupid. Just search for Wrigley Field trough diving...

giantg2 5y ago

"At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom." They expect that the law should be followed, which stipulates no recording. Companies have tried for a long time to have security cameras in bathrooms, but it's not allowed. Now if they're responding to a call, then maybe that's an exception. Or they could change the law to allow recording in the bathroom, but there will probably be a ton of public pushback.

kbenson 5y ago
I'm not saying the law should be ignored. I'm just not entirely sure why the law exists as it does, or think that it's ill written to account for certain situations. A large bathroom with twenty people (or more! bathrooms at large events or in large airports can be big) in it is not what I would consider private. I think (but could be wrong) what most people actually care about is that their stall is private (or in the case of urinals, that someone isn't to the side recording what they consider a small private wall space area), but since that's hard to account for and some stalls/urinals already have poor privacy to the rest of the bathroom, we got what we have now. Honestly, to me it seems like a lot of bother to hide bits of our body that we should all be a lot less concerned about shame about in the first place, but I'm not holding my breath on any change there in the U.S.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "or think that it's ill written to account for certain situations." I agree with this, for many laws really.

smegger001 5y ago

Perhapes we should just require the camera to be turned on and on their person for them to have the legal privileges and protections that we grant to law officers. If they turn it off or leave it behind for example during a restroom break then they are, under the eyes of the law, a civilian until it is turned back on. and any evidence "found" somewhere that they had gone without the camera while off the clock as it were is either inadmissible or must have a hire bar to be able to be used. so on planting drugs on a piss break to just walk in again with the camera on and "find it"

corpdrone2021 5y ago
This seems like the most straightforward way to handle this.

gnicholas 5y ago

> At the same time I'm not sure what level of privacy people expect in a public bathroom. Anything you don't want someone seeing should be done within a stall. If a man at a baseball game went into the restroom and up to the trough holding a smartphone that was clearly recording, he would undoubtedly find trouble. People expect not to be recorded in the bathroom.

hermitdev 5y ago
It depends, I suppose. Others might egg the guy on to do something really stupid. Just search for Wrigley Field trough diving...