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What? A body cam is useful for the same reason that AWS CloudTrail and other audit logs are useful-- auditing? What part of policing necessitates that it is don

What? A body cam is useful for the same reason that AWS CloudTrail and other audit logs are useful-- auditing? What part of policing necessitates that it is done in secret? > but there are bad apples in every profession A "bad apple" software engineer probably over-reports hours or is neglectful in their job. A "bad apple" cashier probably skims off the top of sales. A "bad apple" executive probably enriches their personal wealth. A "bad apple" cop probably results in ruining the lives of other people through wrongful arrests, excessive force, or other means. Some people simply should be held to a higher standard because of the responsibilities of their position. When you can quite literally be the arbiter of life and death at times, you should be held to a higher standard.

jimbob45 5y ago
I don’t agree with your analogy. The post-arrest reports that the police fill out is closer to the audit log. A better analogy for SWEs would be keyloggers imo. Also, a “bad apple” SWE can be far and away worse than anything a cop could possibly do. “Bad apple” SWEs are people like Julian Assange, Kim DotCom, and Sammy Kamkar. Those people ruin entire classes of lives. This “higher standard” argument is a slippery slope. Cops actually don’t have very large responsibilities. Worst case, they kill 10 or so people before they’re brought down. Consider Mark Begor, CEO of Equifax, who leaked the identities of millions. Should we force him to install a key logger on all of his PCs? Should we have him wear a body cam at work? He’s certainly someone from whom millions would benefit were he to be locked in a dungeon to work for the rest of his life. Of course not. We’re supposed to believe in liberty and the innate good in man, despite whatever FUD BLM would have you believe.
- jdhendrickson 5y ago
  "Worst case, they kill 10 or so people before they’re brought down." Really? This is your argument for why they should not have to wear cameras? You then drag BLM into this at the end. I have noticed an uptick in older accounts suddenly commenting more, and more of this divisive language usually accompanied by a poorly thought out premise that would never have flown on Hacker News a year or two ago. Commentary like this really makes me wonder if the site is being targeted using inauthentic traffic as covered in depth by Sophie Zhang. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower) it's pretty interesting.
  - jimbob45 5y ago
    No, that was part of my argument as to why SWEs have the capacity to abuse their positions of power far worse than police can.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    > I have noticed an uptick in older accounts suddenly commenting more The commenter you're replying to has an account that's a little over two years old. I wouldn't call that "older".
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- throwawaysha256 5y ago
  >I don’t agree with your analogy. The post-arrest reports that the police fill out is closer to the audit log. A better analogy for SWEs would be keyloggers imo. Which everyone should have enabled for the exact same reasons: auditing All SSH sessions (every character you send) to our qa and higher environments are recorded and saved for later auditing.
- maybelsyrup 5y ago
  > Consider Mark Begor, CEO of Equifax, who leaked the identities of millions. Should we force him to install a key logger on all of his PCs? Should we have him wear a body cam at work? Lol yes absolutely where do I sign this petition

jimbob45 5y ago

I don’t agree with your analogy. The post-arrest reports that the police fill out is closer to the audit log. A better analogy for SWEs would be keyloggers imo. Also, a “bad apple” SWE can be far and away worse than anything a cop could possibly do. “Bad apple” SWEs are people like Julian Assange, Kim DotCom, and Sammy Kamkar. Those people ruin entire classes of lives. This “higher standard” argument is a slippery slope. Cops actually don’t have very large responsibilities. Worst case, they kill 10 or so people before they’re brought down. Consider Mark Begor, CEO of Equifax, who leaked the identities of millions. Should we force him to install a key logger on all of his PCs? Should we have him wear a body cam at work? He’s certainly someone from whom millions would benefit were he to be locked in a dungeon to work for the rest of his life. Of course not. We’re supposed to believe in liberty and the innate good in man, despite whatever FUD BLM would have you believe.

jdhendrickson 5y ago
"Worst case, they kill 10 or so people before they’re brought down." Really? This is your argument for why they should not have to wear cameras? You then drag BLM into this at the end. I have noticed an uptick in older accounts suddenly commenting more, and more of this divisive language usually accompanied by a poorly thought out premise that would never have flown on Hacker News a year or two ago. Commentary like this really makes me wonder if the site is being targeted using inauthentic traffic as covered in depth by Sophie Zhang. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower) it's pretty interesting.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  No, that was part of my argument as to why SWEs have the capacity to abuse their positions of power far worse than police can.
- kelnos 5y ago
  > I have noticed an uptick in older accounts suddenly commenting more The commenter you're replying to has an account that's a little over two years old. I wouldn't call that "older".
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throwawaysha256 5y ago
>I don’t agree with your analogy. The post-arrest reports that the police fill out is closer to the audit log. A better analogy for SWEs would be keyloggers imo. Which everyone should have enabled for the exact same reasons: auditing All SSH sessions (every character you send) to our qa and higher environments are recorded and saved for later auditing.
maybelsyrup 5y ago
> Consider Mark Begor, CEO of Equifax, who leaked the identities of millions. Should we force him to install a key logger on all of his PCs? Should we have him wear a body cam at work? Lol yes absolutely where do I sign this petition