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> Progressives never stopped protesting attempts to violate personal freedoms, What nonsense. Progressives in this country are currently advocating for people

> Progressives never stopped protesting attempts to violate personal freedoms, What nonsense. Progressives in this country are currently advocating for people to be banned from doing normal every day activities unless they're carrying proof of taking an experimental drug. There is serious talk amongst 'progressives' in Congress to ban certain people's speech from the internet. Pull your head out of the sand. No faction is perfect. Why are we pretending.

teawrecks 5y ago
You're using "progressives" in quotes because you don't think their behavior is progressive or that they qualify as progressives. I agree. The people you do believe qualify as progressive are who I'm referring to. In other words, progressives are the ones protesting for individual freedoms by definition. I deliberately chose this word in this context instead of "liberal" because the two are not synonymous.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Progressive is in quotes because that's what they call themselves. I have other names for them that are inappropriate for HN. And progressivism is not for individual freedoms by definition. Far from it. Progressivism refers to the impulse to use government intervention as a means to achieve social ends. The temperance movement was part of the progressive movement in this country. As was the eugenics movement. Progressivism does not have any unique claims to the fight for individual rights. Far from it. Progressivism was first used in contrast to 'constitutionalism', which was the philosophy of enlightenment individual rights as espoused by those who wrote the American constitution. This is hardly controversial stuff. It's even in the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism. > In the United States, progressivism began as an intellectual rebellion against the political philosophy of Constitutionalism as expressed by John Locke and the founders of the American Republic, whereby the authority of government depends on observing limitations on its just powers.

teawrecks 5y ago

You're using "progressives" in quotes because you don't think their behavior is progressive or that they qualify as progressives. I agree. The people you do believe qualify as progressive are who I'm referring to. In other words, progressives are the ones protesting for individual freedoms by definition. I deliberately chose this word in this context instead of "liberal" because the two are not synonymous.

iammisc 5y ago
Progressive is in quotes because that's what they call themselves. I have other names for them that are inappropriate for HN. And progressivism is not for individual freedoms by definition. Far from it. Progressivism refers to the impulse to use government intervention as a means to achieve social ends. The temperance movement was part of the progressive movement in this country. As was the eugenics movement. Progressivism does not have any unique claims to the fight for individual rights. Far from it. Progressivism was first used in contrast to 'constitutionalism', which was the philosophy of enlightenment individual rights as espoused by those who wrote the American constitution. This is hardly controversial stuff. It's even in the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism. > In the United States, progressivism began as an intellectual rebellion against the political philosophy of Constitutionalism as expressed by John Locke and the founders of the American Republic, whereby the authority of government depends on observing limitations on its just powers.