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Is there a way to enable instant over the air updates for 0-day fixes, etc? I see my phone has "automatic updates" on but it still requires me to download and i
by fortuna86 5y ago
Is there a way to enable instant over the air updates for 0-day fixes, etc? I see my phone has "automatic updates" on but it still requires me to download and install manually.
- wil421 5y agoUsually the automatic updates run at night when it’s plugged in and on WiFi. I’ve never seen my phone ask to do it during the day unless I ignored the update for a few days. I also believe Apple is doing some kind of rate limiting. Whenever I’ve upgraded iOS or MacOS on day one the download is painfully slow on my gigabit connection.
- infofarmer 5y agoNo extra rate limiting required. With ~1.7 billion active iOS devices, the infra must be under a bit of a strain to deliver even a relatively tiny 50 Mb delta. For this particular update, my iPhone downloaded over 100 Mb and MacBook over 1 Gb.
- rudian 5y agoMy iPhone 11 Pro downloaded over 900 Mb and it was up to date until now.
- slownews45 5y agoThe scale of data involved in this crazy. 1GB/update * 1B devices potentially? We are in exabyte range. I've also noticed somewhat slower downloads on new updates on my 1GB connection. Ideally their caching network really is everywhere. I wish they'd do the Microsoft thing of letting you update based on others local downloads. For campus networks some of these updates can really load things up. I'm also at 900MB+
- marcellus23 5y ago> letting you update based on others local downloads They do, you can set up a Mac as a content cache for system updates for other Macs on the same network.
- Gigachad 5y agoWindows just does this out of the box which seems to work pretty good.
- GeekyBear 5y agoUntil your home system starts sharing the update without explicit permission and you get a surprise bill for running over your monthly bandwidth cap?
- Gigachad 5y agoWindows by default only shares within your local network. Optionally you can turn it on for the wider internet and it does not seem to use that much data in my experience.
- GeekyBear 5y agoThat was not the case when Windows 10 shipped. It shared with the entire internet by default and many people got hit with surprise bills.
- ev1 5y agoI really hate that they demand Wifi - I never have Wifi, but I have an unlimited data plan that is well good for multiple terabytes.
- Turing_Machine 5y agoYeah, that needs to change. It should probably have to be turned on explicitly, because a lot of people are still on spendy OTA plans, but it should be an option.
- gorgoiler 5y agoHow’s your battery usage though, with the cell radio on (compared to wifi)? Battery crapping out is still a major taboo with iOS updates, I believe.
- benhalllondon 5y agoWhoa! Where do you live?
- sbierwagen 5y agoApple has many customers. The person who buys the phone is one customer. Another customer is the cell phone networks, who don't much want to use their airtime to distribute OS patches, which use a lot of bandwidth but are almost entirely invisible to users.
- ev1 5y agoThen perhaps they should make it be able to be sent during off peak hours at a lower bitrate when people are sleeping, they are signed by Apple anyway, so a carrier can distribute them at off-peak from edge nodes closest to the tower, avoiding backhaul, and using wasted spectrum that was not getting use anyway. Rather than, you know, a vulnerable device behind on updates that isn't backupable to iCloud in any way.
- closeparen 5y agoNot when there’s an alarm clock set.
- floatingatoll 5y agoNot as a simple end-user with no other Apple infrastructure available to you. If you're using MDM, you have additional options available to you to create such a model on your own, but for Apple's consumer offerings, Apple defines the check-in schedule for each update, and it sounds like they've selected "install overnight" for this update.
- ThePowerOfFuet 5y agoYour device will check for updates once a week by default. No, there is no way to do what you're describing; if every iPhone, iPad, and Mac sold in the last five years simultaneously reached out for a 2 GB update, the entire internet would probably fall over.
- Gigachad 5y ago>No, there is no way to do what you're describing It could be done in a p2p way like windows updates. By default they will share update files to other devices on the local network and can also work with other devices over the internet. A bunch of plugged in iphones on wifi would be perfectly capable of distributing update files.
- ThePowerOfFuet 5y agoMore than enough of them would be on mobile networks to cripple those networks (even if not sharing, they'd at least be downloading).
- Gigachad 5y agoI'm not sure how it would be crippled. Say they cap it so your iphone will upload 10% of the amount it downloads for an update. Right away we just took 10% of the load off the main Apple servers and very few people would be affected by uploading 100MB of a 1GB update over wifi. I'm not suggesting the whole thing become p2p, but that the p2p network assist the dedicated distribution servers. For me, just the local p2p would halve the number of updates pulled from Apples servers because there are 2 of the same apple product on the same local network. Obviously Apple doesn't need to do this because they are flawlessly pushing out updates every week but if they were struggling with distribution, this is a proven working system that windows uses.
- ThePowerOfFuet 5y agoYou're getting into the weeds. Imagine all the iPhones that aren't on Wi-Fi when they get such an emergency update request: they'll melt the mobile networks trying to download 2 GB each. The idea doesn't work. This is why Apple devices check for updates once a week, staggered. The load is therefore mostly constant, other than the hardcore ones who manually check for an update once they hear one is available.