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It's leveling off. And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission. Japan is quite an advanced green economy. I don't think any reason to put China fro

It's leveling off. And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission. Japan is quite an advanced green economy. I don't think any reason to put China front and center in this discussion "who should start closing coal power plant". Edit: > Focusing on per-capita data inevitably leads to whataboutism Well, energy usage is a key indicator of human wellbeing. I see no reason this leads to whataboutism. It's a key part of the discussion. Without this, humans are not going to unit in full strength. > that's exactly the narrative the CCP wants to push! CCP lifted 600MM+ people out of poverty. I guess they can make a few correct statement, right? > But when looking at emissions over time, it becomes pretty obvious that some countries are working hard doing their parts while some others are simply polluting at an accelerating pace. Yes, we can clearly see that China committed to carbon neutral at the critical juncture of economy development [1], and the only large developing country. And we are waiting India [2]. Meanwhile, despite enjoying the most from the carbon emission industry in 20 century, the advanced & developed country continuously insist on equal responsibility for all nations. It's like I eat most of the lunch, and grow so big, now I say that everyone on the table should cut their food consumption by certain percentage... Not fair. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2021/03/08/chinas-carbon-neutral-opportunity-economic-growth-driven-by-ambitious-climate-action/?sh=4cb8b80e734d https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2021/03/08/chi... [2] https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/climate-change/is-india-in-a-position-to-announce-a-target-of-net-zero-emissions-by-2050--76377#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20third%20Biennial,reduce%20the%20emission%20intensity%20of https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/climate-change/is-india-...

908B64B197 5y ago
> And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission For how long? > I don't think any reason to put China front and center in this discussion "who should start closing coal power plant". Focusing on per-capita data inevitably leads to whataboutism, and that's exactly the narrative the CCP wants to push! But when looking at emissions over time, it becomes pretty obvious that some countries are working hard doing their parts while some others are simply polluting at an accelerating pace.
joecool1029 5y ago
>And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission. I upvoted you but I didn't dunk on Japan because they do have nuclear energy and are a resource poor nation. They are also the only nation to have legitimate concerns over nuclear technology for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. >Meanwhile, despite enjoying the most from the carbon emission industry in 20 century, the advanced & developed country continuously insist on equal responsibility for all nations. This is the core point! I'm making the case that there's a reason they are emitting lots of carbon right now, and unlike many other nations that don't have a reason nor a plan to get off carbon, they do have one. China was practically an agrarian society up until the 1980's, the west squandered a 200 year carbon-burning head start and is painting them as the bad guys.

908B64B197 5y ago

> And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission For how long? > I don't think any reason to put China front and center in this discussion "who should start closing coal power plant". Focusing on per-capita data inevitably leads to whataboutism, and that's exactly the narrative the CCP wants to push! But when looking at emissions over time, it becomes pretty obvious that some countries are working hard doing their parts while some others are simply polluting at an accelerating pace.

joecool1029 5y ago

>And it's still well below Japan in per capita emission. I upvoted you but I didn't dunk on Japan because they do have nuclear energy and are a resource poor nation. They are also the only nation to have legitimate concerns over nuclear technology for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. >Meanwhile, despite enjoying the most from the carbon emission industry in 20 century, the advanced & developed country continuously insist on equal responsibility for all nations. This is the core point! I'm making the case that there's a reason they are emitting lots of carbon right now, and unlike many other nations that don't have a reason nor a plan to get off carbon, they do have one. China was practically an agrarian society up until the 1980's, the west squandered a 200 year carbon-burning head start and is painting them as the bad guys.