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>In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists I'm sure that when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targe

by jdhn 5y ago

>In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists I'm sure that when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well.

mc32 5y ago
So you're saying it should be opposed now so it's not abused by anyone in power?
igravious 5y ago
> Facebook and tech giants to target attacker manife... not dependent on who is in .gov Wouldn't you say that Big Tech (along with most of Big Media) has shown itself to have a (D) bias?
- kokanator 5y ago
  It is true statistically. Big Media is generally Left Biased.[0] [0] https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
  - igravious 5y ago
    Yo, thanks for this. The same should be ideological placement analysis should be done for Social Media – which is after all a type of Media and where lots of people get their news nowadays even if these places aren't the originators of the news. I feel like this isn't a controversial thing to say.
iammisc 5y ago
When the republicans came into power from 2016-2020, they did not use the IRS to harass left-wing groups, which both Obama and Biden did. We can't pretend every party is equal. Things change, and parties obviously violate their principles (just look at the democratic party!), but when one party is disproportionately engaging in distortion and authoritarianism, they deserve the scorn heaped on them. This was true when Bush was enacting the patriot act against the GOP. And it's true today against the dems. Sorry, I'm not going to buy into 'everyone's the same mentality'. This is the same dribble the republicans were telling me during the Bush years -- Oh the democrats will take away your freedoms if they were in power. Well, I'm sure that's true, but actually in 2002, it was the GOP. Not going to pretend.
kokanator 5y ago
That is odd, it didn't seem to happen when the Republicans were in power. Actually, quite the opposite. We saw a tremendous amount of censorship of Right content and people.
- iammisc 5y ago
  I was going to say... when scary GOP was in power, the largest websites literally censored and removed the GOP president, to the applause of the left, except for the few reasonable people, like Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.
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- lazyeye 5y ago
  Maybe its no longer democrat/republican. Maybe its big tech and whatever directly or indirectly threatens it. For example, big tech likes to source workers globally (bigger labour pool, cheaper wages) so any form of patriotism/nationalism, no matter how reasonable or modest, is an anathema to it.
  - kokanator 5y ago
    You could be very correct on this. I do see that the Big Tech leaders tend support left candidates/positions consistently. Perhaps this is because it is beneficial to their business as a whole and nothing to do with their ideology. Regardless, of whether it is to support their business or the ideology, censoring ideas should not be tolerated.
    - lazyeye 5y ago
      Interesting article recently on Quillette that talks about this and supports the idea that big tech doesnt really practice true diversity, they hide behind it. https://quillette.com/2021/07/21/silicon-valleys-cynical-treatment-of-asian-engineers/ https://quillette.com/2021/07/21/silicon-valleys-cynical-tre...
BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well." As trite as this may be to say, we are in uncharted territory. Perhaps suppressing speech and using algorithms to curate biased content to the general public through social media means one side gets the upper hand for generations to come.

by jdhn 5y ago

>In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists I'm sure that when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well.

mc32 5y ago

So you're saying it should be opposed now so it's not abused by anyone in power?

igravious 5y ago

> Facebook and tech giants to target attacker manife... not dependent on who is in .gov Wouldn't you say that Big Tech (along with most of Big Media) has shown itself to have a (D) bias?

kokanator 5y ago
It is true statistically. Big Media is generally Left Biased.[0] [0] https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
- igravious 5y ago
  Yo, thanks for this. The same should be ideological placement analysis should be done for Social Media – which is after all a type of Media and where lots of people get their news nowadays even if these places aren't the originators of the news. I feel like this isn't a controversial thing to say.

iammisc 5y ago

When the republicans came into power from 2016-2020, they did not use the IRS to harass left-wing groups, which both Obama and Biden did. We can't pretend every party is equal. Things change, and parties obviously violate their principles (just look at the democratic party!), but when one party is disproportionately engaging in distortion and authoritarianism, they deserve the scorn heaped on them. This was true when Bush was enacting the patriot act against the GOP. And it's true today against the dems. Sorry, I'm not going to buy into 'everyone's the same mentality'. This is the same dribble the republicans were telling me during the Bush years -- Oh the democrats will take away your freedoms if they were in power. Well, I'm sure that's true, but actually in 2002, it was the GOP. Not going to pretend.

kokanator 5y ago

That is odd, it didn't seem to happen when the Republicans were in power. Actually, quite the opposite. We saw a tremendous amount of censorship of Right content and people.

iammisc 5y ago
I was going to say... when scary GOP was in power, the largest websites literally censored and removed the GOP president, to the applause of the left, except for the few reasonable people, like Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.
- deleted 5y ago
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lazyeye 5y ago
Maybe its no longer democrat/republican. Maybe its big tech and whatever directly or indirectly threatens it. For example, big tech likes to source workers globally (bigger labour pool, cheaper wages) so any form of patriotism/nationalism, no matter how reasonable or modest, is an anathema to it.
- kokanator 5y ago
  You could be very correct on this. I do see that the Big Tech leaders tend support left candidates/positions consistently. Perhaps this is because it is beneficial to their business as a whole and nothing to do with their ideology. Regardless, of whether it is to support their business or the ideology, censoring ideas should not be tolerated.
  - lazyeye 5y ago
    Interesting article recently on Quillette that talks about this and supports the idea that big tech doesnt really practice true diversity, they hide behind it. https://quillette.com/2021/07/21/silicon-valleys-cynical-treatment-of-asian-engineers/ https://quillette.com/2021/07/21/silicon-valleys-cynical-tre...

BitwiseFool 5y ago

>"when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well." As trite as this may be to say, we are in uncharted territory. Perhaps suppressing speech and using algorithms to curate biased content to the general public through social media means one side gets the upper hand for generations to come.