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I do not understand why people think either electro or fuel cars will cause a good shift. Ok maybe exhaust emissions will be less, but the real issues about cit

by yawaworht1978 5y ago

I do not understand why people think either electro or fuel cars will cause a good shift. Ok maybe exhaust emissions will be less, but the real issues about city traffic are rush hour and peak traffic times, vehicle for 4 transports 1 or 2 people at a time mostly, no parking available in big cities, except at extortion level prices. I do not know any solution other than an extremely well connected and efficient public transport system, or levitation capsules. But this friction between ev and fuel hybrid etc vendors , it's the modern equivalent of when people argued whether a donkey or a horse is more practical. All the save the air arguments are hypocritical at best, the marketing teams are targeting the lazy who should simply walk more to feel better about themselves and the environment. The mass adaption that would save something, including many peoples health would be not driving a car, or better, walking, bycicle when possible.

Invictus0 5y ago
It's obvious that you don't live in the United States. The nearest grocery store from my suburban house is 2.3 miles away. It's a 1hr walk or a 30 minute bike ride, and to get there, I would need to scale a 400 ft elevation gain each way. The gym is 3 miles from my house in the opposite direction. I would bike there but the only road is extremely narrow and quite frankly dangerous to ride on. There is simply no way I can conduct my life without a car, and I say that as someone that loves to ride a bike and frequently rides 50mi and over.
- yawaworht1978 5y ago
  Sure, i know, the US has crowded, big cities and many remote suburban areas. I am not against the use of any car, electro or not, I am a realist. However, the US is not the whole world, albeit a big market. But to get all manufacturers to do the same, there has to be a market that's as big as possible. There are many countries stricken by poverty (no purchasing power), inadequate roads and no electro infrastructure for cars in sight.
- sorokod 5y ago
  Is this sustainable? Is this not a problem that requires a solution? Was watching the Simpsons with my eight year old. He remarked that they must be rich to own two cars.
  - Invictus0 5y ago
    No, it's terrible and I hate living in the suburbs. We are a family of 4 with 4, 4-door cars. It's ludicrous. But good luck convincing tens of millions of suburbanites to, idk, sell their home at a loss and move to a city? Public transit makes no sense. The geography is too hilly for biking and there is no infrastructure for it anyway. Everything is spread too far away. I wish we had never built suburbs in the first place but it's far too late for that.
    - sorokod 5y ago
      There are many countries, even "first world" countries, where a family of 4 does not need 4 cars to get on with their daily life. Replacing 4 ICE cars with for 4 EV cars is not a solution to a problem worth solving.
      - nemothekid 5y ago
        >Replacing 4 ICE cars with for 4 EV cars is not a solution to a problem worth solving. CO2 production is not an issue worth solving? In seriousness, trying to "fix" American suburbs is another problem wrought with political issues of its own (See Trump's "Suburbs under Siege") message. Getting to the point where population density makes it feasible to have adequate public transportation in most suburbs doesn't like something that would ever be economic for large parts of the US. So you end up with situations where Mom, Dad, Son and Daughter all need their own cars for basic needs.
        sorokod 5y ago
        The point I am trying to make is that this lifestyle is not well supported by this planet.
Clubber 5y ago
>but the real issues about city traffic are rush hour and peak traffic times, vehicle for 4 transports 1 or 2 people at a time mostly, no parking available in big cities, except at extortion level prices. Work from home for people who can solves much of this. During COVID when many people were working from home, the roads were dead, even in non-mandatory lockdown states (at least mine). It's a pretty simple solution that will save everybody money (including employers) and many employees want it. It's weird that it isn't being talked about seriously by the government. I guess the commercial real estate market is against it.
jrsj 5y ago
This only works for people in cities. IMO the pandemic proved that pressuring people into moving to cities isn’t a great idea either — a more distributed system is a good thing for a variety of reasons. We can have both EVs and improved public transit anyways.

Invictus0 5y ago

It's obvious that you don't live in the United States. The nearest grocery store from my suburban house is 2.3 miles away. It's a 1hr walk or a 30 minute bike ride, and to get there, I would need to scale a 400 ft elevation gain each way. The gym is 3 miles from my house in the opposite direction. I would bike there but the only road is extremely narrow and quite frankly dangerous to ride on. There is simply no way I can conduct my life without a car, and I say that as someone that loves to ride a bike and frequently rides 50mi and over.

yawaworht1978 5y ago
Sure, i know, the US has crowded, big cities and many remote suburban areas. I am not against the use of any car, electro or not, I am a realist. However, the US is not the whole world, albeit a big market. But to get all manufacturers to do the same, there has to be a market that's as big as possible. There are many countries stricken by poverty (no purchasing power), inadequate roads and no electro infrastructure for cars in sight.
sorokod 5y ago
Is this sustainable? Is this not a problem that requires a solution? Was watching the Simpsons with my eight year old. He remarked that they must be rich to own two cars.
- Invictus0 5y ago
  No, it's terrible and I hate living in the suburbs. We are a family of 4 with 4, 4-door cars. It's ludicrous. But good luck convincing tens of millions of suburbanites to, idk, sell their home at a loss and move to a city? Public transit makes no sense. The geography is too hilly for biking and there is no infrastructure for it anyway. Everything is spread too far away. I wish we had never built suburbs in the first place but it's far too late for that.
  - sorokod 5y ago
    There are many countries, even "first world" countries, where a family of 4 does not need 4 cars to get on with their daily life. Replacing 4 ICE cars with for 4 EV cars is not a solution to a problem worth solving.
    - nemothekid 5y ago
      >Replacing 4 ICE cars with for 4 EV cars is not a solution to a problem worth solving. CO2 production is not an issue worth solving? In seriousness, trying to "fix" American suburbs is another problem wrought with political issues of its own (See Trump's "Suburbs under Siege") message. Getting to the point where population density makes it feasible to have adequate public transportation in most suburbs doesn't like something that would ever be economic for large parts of the US. So you end up with situations where Mom, Dad, Son and Daughter all need their own cars for basic needs.
      - sorokod 5y ago
        The point I am trying to make is that this lifestyle is not well supported by this planet.

Clubber 5y ago

>but the real issues about city traffic are rush hour and peak traffic times, vehicle for 4 transports 1 or 2 people at a time mostly, no parking available in big cities, except at extortion level prices. Work from home for people who can solves much of this. During COVID when many people were working from home, the roads were dead, even in non-mandatory lockdown states (at least mine). It's a pretty simple solution that will save everybody money (including employers) and many employees want it. It's weird that it isn't being talked about seriously by the government. I guess the commercial real estate market is against it.

jrsj 5y ago

This only works for people in cities. IMO the pandemic proved that pressuring people into moving to cities isn’t a great idea either — a more distributed system is a good thing for a variety of reasons. We can have both EVs and improved public transit anyways.