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But Toyota has build quality that Tesla can't touch. Toyota won't be starting from scratch, they will starting from the point of making great high quality ICE v

by mullen 5y ago

But Toyota has build quality that Tesla can't touch. Toyota won't be starting from scratch, they will starting from the point of making great high quality ICE vehicles and converting those to EV. Tesla build quality is not that great but they have better tech and understanding of their EV customers than Toyota does.

karmicthreat 5y ago
Toyota isn't the shining star it once was. Cost cutting has pulled Toyota vehicles much closer to the industry average. As well as the general quality level of American and korean automakers improving over the last 10 years. Notable exceptions being the Prius and some of the Lexus lineup.
- nixass 5y ago
  Well if Toyota is "bad" then Tesla is at best on par with some eastern European manufacturers.
  - slaw 5y ago
    Are there any Eastern European manufactures left?
    - Peanuts99 5y ago
      Skoda (although owned by VW) are eastern European and they make extremely reliable cars owing to using all the VW technology a few years after its deployed and fixed. About everywhere I go Skoda seems to be the brand of choice for taxi drivers - usually a good sign.
    - nixass 5y ago
      There's Dacia (owned by Renault), that uses old Renault's tech. They're usually entry level models with poor build quality but good value for money, nothing more than that
- jrsj 5y ago
  To an extent yes but American companies have cut costs more aggressively in assembly (Toyota and Honda are more American made in parts & labor than Ford & GM these days) which has caused issues & their approach to fuel efficiency of small turbocharged GDI engines has negative implications for reliability that really can’t be overcome with any amount of engineering. In terms of reliability of powertrains, yes it’s much better than it was in the past but shit that blows up in the 200k-300k mile range frequently is still far from ideal Look at the new Bronco Sport as an example. It’s fairly small, but a 1.5L turbo 3? That’s not something that’s built to last 20 years without any major complications.

by mullen 5y ago

karmicthreat 5y ago

Toyota isn't the shining star it once was. Cost cutting has pulled Toyota vehicles much closer to the industry average. As well as the general quality level of American and korean automakers improving over the last 10 years. Notable exceptions being the Prius and some of the Lexus lineup.

nixass 5y ago
Well if Toyota is "bad" then Tesla is at best on par with some eastern European manufacturers.
- slaw 5y ago
  Are there any Eastern European manufactures left?
  - Peanuts99 5y ago
    Skoda (although owned by VW) are eastern European and they make extremely reliable cars owing to using all the VW technology a few years after its deployed and fixed. About everywhere I go Skoda seems to be the brand of choice for taxi drivers - usually a good sign.
  - nixass 5y ago
    There's Dacia (owned by Renault), that uses old Renault's tech. They're usually entry level models with poor build quality but good value for money, nothing more than that
jrsj 5y ago
To an extent yes but American companies have cut costs more aggressively in assembly (Toyota and Honda are more American made in parts & labor than Ford & GM these days) which has caused issues & their approach to fuel efficiency of small turbocharged GDI engines has negative implications for reliability that really can’t be overcome with any amount of engineering. In terms of reliability of powertrains, yes it’s much better than it was in the past but shit that blows up in the 200k-300k mile range frequently is still far from ideal Look at the new Bronco Sport as an example. It’s fairly small, but a 1.5L turbo 3? That’s not something that’s built to last 20 years without any major complications.