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> Who has had greater success at this than the media? Totally agree that FOX News and other of the right-wing pundits have helped create an alternate reality w

> Who has had greater success at this than the media? Totally agree that FOX News and other of the right-wing pundits have helped create an alternate reality where election results and public health guidelines don't matter. You're talking about The Media as if the Right doesn't have a media apparatus. > When the Mueller report revealed no evidence of collusion Reading your link about Mueller and other summaries of the Mueller investigation, I get the feeling that the investigations was not a "nothing burger": the investigation produced 37 indictments, seven guilty pleas or convictions, and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions[0]. > Trump's lie was immediately panned as utter bullshit. Sure, AG Barr described the Big Lie as bullshit, but Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham, Crowder, and Shapiro haven't come anywhere close to that kind of a statement. Their gravy train runs on the Big Lie. If Republicans don't want to look anti-democratic, then they should have (1) unilaterally disavowed the January 6 Insurrection instead of denying it, or calling these people patriots, and they should (2) make voting as easy as buying a gun, since they're both rights protected by the Constitution. [0](https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/ https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigati...)

marcusverus 5y ago
You're taking a contrary tone, but I think we're in agreement here. When it comes to Trump's lie about the 2020 election, the tone of the media in general was dismissive and highly skeptical due to a lack of evidence. The right-wing media was, of course, more credulous and willing to entertain the possibility of widespread election fraud... for a few months. When it comes to collusion conspiracy theory in the 2016 election, the media in general was highly credulous and willing to entertain the possibility--even in the absence of evidence. The media in general pushed this conspiracy theory for four years, while of course the left wing media was more credulous and willing to entertain the conspiracy theory. You're right that Mueller investigation resulted in a large number of charges, but none were related to the question of collusion. The media isn't forgiven for convincing half the country that Trump was a Russian puppet just because Paul Manafort laundered some money (unrelated to the Trump campaign), or because some Russians were running a troll farm (unrelated to the Trump campaign). Why even bring it up in a conversation about the collusion conspiracy theory, if not to muddy the waters?

marcusverus 5y ago

You're taking a contrary tone, but I think we're in agreement here. When it comes to Trump's lie about the 2020 election, the tone of the media in general was dismissive and highly skeptical due to a lack of evidence. The right-wing media was, of course, more credulous and willing to entertain the possibility of widespread election fraud... for a few months. When it comes to collusion conspiracy theory in the 2016 election, the media in general was highly credulous and willing to entertain the possibility--even in the absence of evidence. The media in general pushed this conspiracy theory for four years, while of course the left wing media was more credulous and willing to entertain the conspiracy theory. You're right that Mueller investigation resulted in a large number of charges, but none were related to the question of collusion. The media isn't forgiven for convincing half the country that Trump was a Russian puppet just because Paul Manafort laundered some money (unrelated to the Trump campaign), or because some Russians were running a troll farm (unrelated to the Trump campaign). Why even bring it up in a conversation about the collusion conspiracy theory, if not to muddy the waters?