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> Germany was setting an example, until they shut down their nuclear and went back to coal. No idea why this gets repeated here so often, but this statement is

> Germany was setting an example, until they shut down their nuclear and went back to coal. No idea why this gets repeated here so often, but this statement is simply wrong. From 2013 to 2020 nuclear as share of Germany's energy mix went from 17% to 13%. https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&year=2020&interval=year https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&... During the same time, coal went from 45% to 23%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany So yes, nuclear is 4% lower, but coal is 22% lower.

fsflover 5y ago
> nuclear as share of Germany's energy mix went from 17% to 13% > During the same time, coal went from 45% to 23% Although it's true, it could go like this: Nuclear as share went from 17% to 20%; coal from 45% to 20%.
- ben_w 5y ago
  Sure it could be better, but it’s neither shutting down all the nuclear nor failing to set a good example about reducing coal-based electricity.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Germany actually is going to shut down all the nuclear: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27961243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27961243
wrycoder 5y ago
Coal: per Wikipedia: Germany has been opening new coal power plants until recently, following a 2007 plan to build 26 new coal plants. This has been controversial in light of Germany's commitment to curbing carbon emissions. But they changed direction - I didn't know that: On 26 January 2019, [a decision was made] to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038...Coal was used to generate almost 40% of the country's electricity in 2018 and is expected to be replaced by renewable energy and natural gas. 24 coal plants are planned to be closed by 2022 with all but 8 closed by 2030. Nuclear: per Wikipedia: A coalition government of Gerhard Schroeder took the decision in 2002 to phaseout all nuclear power by 2022...Within days of the March 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, large anti-nuclear protests occurred in Germany...Merkel's government announced that it would close all of its nuclear power plants by 2022. Eight of the seventeen operating reactors in Germany were permanently shut down following Fukushima in 2011. German coal consumption has risen during 2011, 2012 and 2013. (but is now decreasing) Germany nuclear is 13%, but most of that is imported from France at this point, I think. So, no coal, no nuclear, hate natural gas - depend on renewables.

fsflover 5y ago

> nuclear as share of Germany's energy mix went from 17% to 13% > During the same time, coal went from 45% to 23% Although it's true, it could go like this: Nuclear as share went from 17% to 20%; coal from 45% to 20%.

ben_w 5y ago
Sure it could be better, but it’s neither shutting down all the nuclear nor failing to set a good example about reducing coal-based electricity.
- fsflover 5y ago
  Germany actually is going to shut down all the nuclear: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27961243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27961243

wrycoder 5y ago

Coal: per Wikipedia: Germany has been opening new coal power plants until recently, following a 2007 plan to build 26 new coal plants. This has been controversial in light of Germany's commitment to curbing carbon emissions. But they changed direction - I didn't know that: On 26 January 2019, [a decision was made] to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038...Coal was used to generate almost 40% of the country's electricity in 2018 and is expected to be replaced by renewable energy and natural gas. 24 coal plants are planned to be closed by 2022 with all but 8 closed by 2030. Nuclear: per Wikipedia: A coalition government of Gerhard Schroeder took the decision in 2002 to phaseout all nuclear power by 2022...Within days of the March 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, large anti-nuclear protests occurred in Germany...Merkel's government announced that it would close all of its nuclear power plants by 2022. Eight of the seventeen operating reactors in Germany were permanently shut down following Fukushima in 2011. German coal consumption has risen during 2011, 2012 and 2013. (but is now decreasing) Germany nuclear is 13%, but most of that is imported from France at this point, I think. So, no coal, no nuclear, hate natural gas - depend on renewables.