3 ms·

> Adults should have the right to do as they please so long as it isn't hurting others Business owners don't get to decide that for their staff, is why it's ba

by Nursie 5y ago

> Adults should have the right to do as they please so long as it isn't hurting others Business owners don't get to decide that for their staff, is why it's banned in businesses too. You don't pay taxes to cover the health effects you have on other people.

noduerme 5y ago
So make the staff sign a contract and give them hazard pay. It's no worse than working in a popcorn factory.
- Nursie 5y ago
  Making people who need work sign a contract which might result in them getting cancer is not something that society has generally deemed ethical. FYI - the harmful stuff in popcorn has been identified and removed too, because we don't let popcorn workers sign up to die either.
  - noduerme 5y ago
    Not every workplace has to be made ideal for every person seeking a job. Just because you might not want to work at a deep fryer doesn't mean we should ban fried food. If you're a vegan, don't work at a steakhouse. If you're opposed to sex, you don't have to work in the sex industry, but that's no reason why we should ban it or drive sex workers into the underground economy. The same is true for places where people want to smoke. Also - it's only unethical if you don't know what you're signing up for. The whole point of disclosure and hazard pay is to let adults choose whether to do something dangerous. Humans can decide if they want to do something or not. This whole idea that no one has a choice and everyone is a victim of circumstances is ridiculous (not to mention lazy, whiny, and ultimately futile).
    - Nursie 5y ago
      > Just because you might not want to work at a deep fryer doesn't mean we should ban fried food. AFAIK deep fryers don't give you cancer just by working around them. > This whole idea that no one has a choice People on low incomes with families to feed don't. Hope that helps you have some empathy. We, as a society, have chosen their health over your smoking.

by Nursie 5y ago

noduerme 5y ago

So make the staff sign a contract and give them hazard pay. It's no worse than working in a popcorn factory.

Nursie 5y ago
Making people who need work sign a contract which might result in them getting cancer is not something that society has generally deemed ethical. FYI - the harmful stuff in popcorn has been identified and removed too, because we don't let popcorn workers sign up to die either.
- noduerme 5y ago
  Not every workplace has to be made ideal for every person seeking a job. Just because you might not want to work at a deep fryer doesn't mean we should ban fried food. If you're a vegan, don't work at a steakhouse. If you're opposed to sex, you don't have to work in the sex industry, but that's no reason why we should ban it or drive sex workers into the underground economy. The same is true for places where people want to smoke. Also - it's only unethical if you don't know what you're signing up for. The whole point of disclosure and hazard pay is to let adults choose whether to do something dangerous. Humans can decide if they want to do something or not. This whole idea that no one has a choice and everyone is a victim of circumstances is ridiculous (not to mention lazy, whiny, and ultimately futile).
  - Nursie 5y ago
    > Just because you might not want to work at a deep fryer doesn't mean we should ban fried food. AFAIK deep fryers don't give you cancer just by working around them. > This whole idea that no one has a choice People on low incomes with families to feed don't. Hope that helps you have some empathy. We, as a society, have chosen their health over your smoking.