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I wouldn't say that "unsurprisingly many of [the top 10 polluting plants] are in China and India", when there is one in China (at rank 6, below a Polish plant,

I wouldn't say that "unsurprisingly many of [the top 10 polluting plants] are in China and India", when there is one in China (at rank 6, below a Polish plant, two South Korean plants and only slightly above the German one) and India has two. Especially when each of those countries has over one billion people, more than an order of magnitude more than Poland, Germany or South Korea.

Robotbeat 5y ago
It's unsurprising because China burns a LOT of coal and has a per capita emissions about the same as the UK, even taking into account exports vs imports (!) in spite of the much lower per capita income. China burns ~51% of the world's coal, in spite of not having even close to 51% of the world's population. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-coal-consumption-by-country-in-2014-unit-Source-China-Coal-Industry_fig1_312407486 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-coal-consumption-... (I think China's coal plants tend to be smaller and so don't show up on these lists.) If everyone else drops their emissions to zero (which needs to happen) and goes autarkic, cutting off all trade with China, assuming China maintains its stability and current energy mix, we'll still be screwed from a climate perspective. We need everyone to reduce emissions, including China and the West both.
- rocknor 5y ago
  > has a per capita emissions about the same as the UK, even taking into account exports vs imports Wrong! https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$filter$dimensions$country$country$/$in@=usa&=chn&=che&=can&=fra&=gbr&=deu&=aus&=ind;;;;;;&encoding$y$data$concept=consumption_emissions_tonnes_per_person&space@=country&=time;;&scale$type=linear&domain:null&zoomed:null;;&frame$value=2017;;;;;&chart-type=linechart&url=v1 https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Your data only goes to 2016. In just 4-5 years, the UK’s per capita emissions have continued to fall (thanks to retiring coal very quickly!) while China’s has risen to above that of the OECD average for the first time: https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/ https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-...
    - rocknor 5y ago
      Wtf? I'm talking about consumption emissions - taking into account exports/imports. That's what matters. Stop with your lies and dishonesty.
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Robotbeat 5y ago

It's unsurprising because China burns a LOT of coal and has a per capita emissions about the same as the UK, even taking into account exports vs imports (!) in spite of the much lower per capita income. China burns ~51% of the world's coal, in spite of not having even close to 51% of the world's population. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-coal-consumption-by-country-in-2014-unit-Source-China-Coal-Industry_fig1_312407486 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-coal-consumption-... (I think China's coal plants tend to be smaller and so don't show up on these lists.) If everyone else drops their emissions to zero (which needs to happen) and goes autarkic, cutting off all trade with China, assuming China maintains its stability and current energy mix, we'll still be screwed from a climate perspective. We need everyone to reduce emissions, including China and the West both.

rocknor 5y ago
> has a per capita emissions about the same as the UK, even taking into account exports vs imports Wrong! https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$filter$dimensions$country$country$/$in@=usa&=chn&=che&=can&=fra&=gbr&=deu&=aus&=ind;;;;;;&encoding$y$data$concept=consumption_emissions_tonnes_per_person&space@=country&=time;;&scale$type=linear&domain:null&zoomed:null;;&frame$value=2017;;;;;&chart-type=linechart&url=v1 https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$line$data$fi...
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  Your data only goes to 2016. In just 4-5 years, the UK’s per capita emissions have continued to fall (thanks to retiring coal very quickly!) while China’s has risen to above that of the OECD average for the first time: https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/ https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-...
  - rocknor 5y ago
    Wtf? I'm talking about consumption emissions - taking into account exports/imports. That's what matters. Stop with your lies and dishonesty.
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