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This right here is a demonstration that language around "white privilege" is too opaque, loaded, academic and at times outright hostile. It's failing at it's jo

This right here is a demonstration that language around "white privilege" is too opaque, loaded, academic and at times outright hostile. It's failing at it's job of helping people to understand the problem. Privilege is a word loaded with connotations about being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. White privilege isn't about being upper class because you're white. It's about the advantages a white person has over non-white people of the same station. A white person in a poor neighborhood is on the whole more likely to be able to pull "themselves" out of poverty, because, the systems and power structures in place have white people in power, or have systems that are fair on their face, but still lead to higher white hire rates or social mobility. Nobody is disputing that some white people have it bad, they're simply pointing out that all else about your social status being equal, being white provides tremendous advantage over being non-white.

username90 5y ago
You are talking about white privilege and not male privilege here. White privilege is pretty straight forward, male privilege isn't. The discussion in question is about white women pushing out white men from sectors where white women dominate, that doesn't sound like a privilege for those men. Also, it is extremely frustrating that people quickly start to include race when the discussion is about gender. As I said racial inequality is an entirely different thing from gender inequality. Police shoots black people more, white people get paid more. There, white privilege! But, Police shoots men more, men get paid more. Who is privileged? See the difference? Most of the problems black people face are also problems men face more than women, so you can't talk about those two as if they were the same.
- JediWing 5y ago
  Fair enough I guess, but parent was still to my eye misunderstanding what `x privelege` means. s/white/male/g and the point largely still stands with mildly adjusted examples. I'd argue overall it is on the whole easier to be a man in society than a woman for similar reasons (i.e. men have been in charge of power structures for longer and entrenched assumptions abound). I hadn't thought about the perspective that men are more often killed by police than by women, and probably for similar reasons (i.e. subconsciously viewing men as more dangerous than women), but by and large as a man I don't fear getting shot by police on a traffic stop. It could definitely be harder to break into a traditionally female field, as an example, though for sure. Overall I feel the "male privilege" would be more pronounced than any "female privilege", though. This is actually what intersectionality describes: we each have our own unique sets of advantages and disadvantages through the lenses of our race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. In the vast majority of cases a straight white male is going to have the fewest disadvantages and most advantages in western society, because it's been designed for centuries around the straight white male as the power-wielder.
golemiprague 5y ago
Apart from this being a very American perspective I am not even sure it is correct for America. Who said a white person has an advantage one on one if all else is equal? How something like that can be measured considering all the other parameters you need to control for? individuals are so complex that I don't think anybody can make any replicable scientific research to come to such a conclusion. To me it sounds more like a religious believe and in general, since we don't know each person situation in life, to judge a person according to this dogma is in itself very problematic.

username90 5y ago

You are talking about white privilege and not male privilege here. White privilege is pretty straight forward, male privilege isn't. The discussion in question is about white women pushing out white men from sectors where white women dominate, that doesn't sound like a privilege for those men. Also, it is extremely frustrating that people quickly start to include race when the discussion is about gender. As I said racial inequality is an entirely different thing from gender inequality. Police shoots black people more, white people get paid more. There, white privilege! But, Police shoots men more, men get paid more. Who is privileged? See the difference? Most of the problems black people face are also problems men face more than women, so you can't talk about those two as if they were the same.

JediWing 5y ago
Fair enough I guess, but parent was still to my eye misunderstanding what `x privelege` means. s/white/male/g and the point largely still stands with mildly adjusted examples. I'd argue overall it is on the whole easier to be a man in society than a woman for similar reasons (i.e. men have been in charge of power structures for longer and entrenched assumptions abound). I hadn't thought about the perspective that men are more often killed by police than by women, and probably for similar reasons (i.e. subconsciously viewing men as more dangerous than women), but by and large as a man I don't fear getting shot by police on a traffic stop. It could definitely be harder to break into a traditionally female field, as an example, though for sure. Overall I feel the "male privilege" would be more pronounced than any "female privilege", though. This is actually what intersectionality describes: we each have our own unique sets of advantages and disadvantages through the lenses of our race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. In the vast majority of cases a straight white male is going to have the fewest disadvantages and most advantages in western society, because it's been designed for centuries around the straight white male as the power-wielder.

golemiprague 5y ago

Apart from this being a very American perspective I am not even sure it is correct for America. Who said a white person has an advantage one on one if all else is equal? How something like that can be measured considering all the other parameters you need to control for? individuals are so complex that I don't think anybody can make any replicable scientific research to come to such a conclusion. To me it sounds more like a religious believe and in general, since we don't know each person situation in life, to judge a person according to this dogma is in itself very problematic.