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Other than being proprietary, macOS is definitely much better than Windows. The problem is that macOS requires Apple hardware, which has been dog shit for years

Other than being proprietary, macOS is definitely much better than Windows. The problem is that macOS requires Apple hardware, which has been dog shit for years now.

imwillofficial 5y ago
Apple has the highest user satisfaction with hardware of any mainstream manufacturer. I’m curious who you think does better than they do.
- busterarm 5y ago
  These are not alike things. Apple presents themselves as a luxury brand. Self-satisfaction from your purchase is part of the experience. If you own a Ferrari you own a fucking Ferrari! Other computer hardware manufacturers are selling you business or entertainment machines.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    I don't buy this at all.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  > Apple has the highest user satisfaction with hardware of any mainstream manufacturer. This is from people who chose to buy Apple hardware. If you buy a Macbook with AppleCare and then sell it again by the time it expires, it doesn't bother you that it can't be repaired because you never own it out of warranty. That only works if you can afford a new Macbook every three years, but that's what Apple customers do. So then you get "hardware satisfaction ratings" that don't reflect the quality of the hardware. For example, for decades Apple has been sacrificing reliability for silence. In most PCs, if the temperature starts getting up there, it will spin up the fans. Apple characteristically doesn't do this until the temperature is at the limit of what the hardware is rated for. So the machine stays quiet, but operating at the upper limit on temperature for years negatively affects reliability. Pull the hard drive from a ten year old iMac and dump the SMART data from it. Chances are it says the drive has exceeded the drive manufacturer's temperature limits and correspondingly has non-zero reallocated sectors, if it hasn't already failed and been replaced. Also, you ask people how satisfied they are with their "hardware" and the fact that it runs a Unix instead of Windows is going to bleed into the answers. > I’m curious who you think does better than they do. So this is the other factor in this. If you go to Dell or Lenovo, they have low end models, and the low end models are lower quality, and they're also more popular (because they're cheaper). Apple doesn't have low end models. If you then do a survey by manufacturer, you're comparing high end hardware to low end hardware. It's the same reason Alienware does better than Dell even though they're the same company.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    For work I have had the most expensive Dell and Lenovo laptop models. Although cool, the build quality nowhere approached my $1k MacBook Air. Not. Even. Close. These were $5k+ machines.
dannyw 5y ago
Other than the keyboard, Apple's screens and trackpad are amazing. Also, when in warranty, their support is genuinely great.

Other than being proprietary, macOS is definitely much better than Windows. The problem is that macOS requires Apple hardware, which has been dog shit for years now.

imwillofficial 5y ago

Apple has the highest user satisfaction with hardware of any mainstream manufacturer. I’m curious who you think does better than they do.

busterarm 5y ago
These are not alike things. Apple presents themselves as a luxury brand. Self-satisfaction from your purchase is part of the experience. If you own a Ferrari you own a fucking Ferrari! Other computer hardware manufacturers are selling you business or entertainment machines.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  I don't buy this at all.
AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> Apple has the highest user satisfaction with hardware of any mainstream manufacturer. This is from people who chose to buy Apple hardware. If you buy a Macbook with AppleCare and then sell it again by the time it expires, it doesn't bother you that it can't be repaired because you never own it out of warranty. That only works if you can afford a new Macbook every three years, but that's what Apple customers do. So then you get "hardware satisfaction ratings" that don't reflect the quality of the hardware. For example, for decades Apple has been sacrificing reliability for silence. In most PCs, if the temperature starts getting up there, it will spin up the fans. Apple characteristically doesn't do this until the temperature is at the limit of what the hardware is rated for. So the machine stays quiet, but operating at the upper limit on temperature for years negatively affects reliability. Pull the hard drive from a ten year old iMac and dump the SMART data from it. Chances are it says the drive has exceeded the drive manufacturer's temperature limits and correspondingly has non-zero reallocated sectors, if it hasn't already failed and been replaced. Also, you ask people how satisfied they are with their "hardware" and the fact that it runs a Unix instead of Windows is going to bleed into the answers. > I’m curious who you think does better than they do. So this is the other factor in this. If you go to Dell or Lenovo, they have low end models, and the low end models are lower quality, and they're also more popular (because they're cheaper). Apple doesn't have low end models. If you then do a survey by manufacturer, you're comparing high end hardware to low end hardware. It's the same reason Alienware does better than Dell even though they're the same company.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  For work I have had the most expensive Dell and Lenovo laptop models. Although cool, the build quality nowhere approached my $1k MacBook Air. Not. Even. Close. These were $5k+ machines.

dannyw 5y ago

Other than the keyboard, Apple's screens and trackpad are amazing. Also, when in warranty, their support is genuinely great.