5 ms·

That's a condition of Taiwan entering the Olympics at all. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei-olympics-compromise-china/100304262 htt

That's a condition of Taiwan entering the Olympics at all. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei-olympics-compromise-china/100304262 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei... I wonder, whilst looking at Hong Kong, why Taiwan would be at all worried about the One Country, Two Systems rule...

egberts 5y ago
Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become. Or rather how much power they have to force their views internationally, even when those views are objectively unreasonable. Here's another recent example: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cena-apologises-calling-taiwan-country-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cen...
  - Consultant32452 5y ago
    Their tentacles are everywhere. https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop...
- whoevercares 5y ago
  “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: This dissension eventually came to a compromise when the term "Chinese Taipei" was first proposed in the Nagoya Resolution in 1979, whereby the ROC/Taiwan and the PRC/China recognize the right of participation to each other and remain as separate teams in any activities of the International Olympic Committee and its correlates. This term came into official in 1981 following a name change of Olympic Committee of the ROC to Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee. Edit: great job downvoting when it doesn’t fit your narrative
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: If Taiwan does declare independence, the PRC will start a war over it about 5 minutes later. Or at least there's a high enough chance of a bloody, crippling (for Taiwan) war that a declaration would be foolish, even if it's what Taiwan really wants. Citing one of the many compromises made because of that fact doesn't really justify the situation.
    - whoevercares 5y ago
      China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently. The PRC has been poor, but it's never been weak. Remember: it fought the US and its allies to a standstill in the 50s. And this "compromise" was made when China was on the upswing and was beginning to have the ability to force the international isolation of Taiwan.
echelon 5y ago
I'm miffed that paulg publicly posts criticisms of the CCP, yet it's gotten my account flagged on HN for posting the same things about a half dozen times. Sometimes just questions about what people think the long term outcome will be. The desire is to keep this type of conversation off of HN (flamewar and politics), and admittedly sometimes my tone descends to that level, but it's frustrating that I have kept my mouth shut about the CCP and still have my posts severely rate limited. I think I can make six posts a day? Or if I say something that gets downvoted - eg. critical of Google, Apple, Facebook, monopolies, etc. I find my posting restricted almost immediately. And here's Paul posting repeatedly in the same tone about Xi, the CCP, etc. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 Etc. Frustrating. Tech is willing to silence itself and its workers for profit.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  I'd wager that the "complaining about downvotes generates downvotes" effect is a bigger cause at this point.
  - egberts 5y ago
    We have a phrase for that: “Streisand Effect”.
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      That’s when people want to see something you’re trying to hide. The downvote effect is when your content is hidden because you want it to be seen. So I might dub it the Anti-Streisand effect.
  - echelon 5y ago
    No, I get that. But I'm pretty confident that this is a flag on my account. I frequently see "you're posting too fast. please slow down. thanks", even when my posts are 100% upvoted. "Too fast" can be a handful of posts in a single day. I'm probably close to my limit now that I'm responding to you. I'll have to wait another day before I can post again. I think it also negatively weights my comments, though I don't have evidence yet. This flag was placed on my account for the reasons I stated above. I'm not going to mention it anymore because I don't want to get in any more trouble with the mods, but I find it unfortunate that pg can have the freedom to speak up against fascism whereas we cannot. I've had really good essays on biochemistry topics, finance, and machine learning that I've ultimately had to discard because of this.

egberts 5y ago

Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become. Or rather how much power they have to force their views internationally, even when those views are objectively unreasonable. Here's another recent example: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cena-apologises-calling-taiwan-country-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cen...
- Consultant32452 5y ago
  Their tentacles are everywhere. https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop...
whoevercares 5y ago
“Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: This dissension eventually came to a compromise when the term "Chinese Taipei" was first proposed in the Nagoya Resolution in 1979, whereby the ROC/Taiwan and the PRC/China recognize the right of participation to each other and remain as separate teams in any activities of the International Olympic Committee and its correlates. This term came into official in 1981 following a name change of Olympic Committee of the ROC to Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee. Edit: great job downvoting when it doesn’t fit your narrative
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: If Taiwan does declare independence, the PRC will start a war over it about 5 minutes later. Or at least there's a high enough chance of a bloody, crippling (for Taiwan) war that a declaration would be foolish, even if it's what Taiwan really wants. Citing one of the many compromises made because of that fact doesn't really justify the situation.
  - whoevercares 5y ago
    China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently. The PRC has been poor, but it's never been weak. Remember: it fought the US and its allies to a standstill in the 50s. And this "compromise" was made when China was on the upswing and was beginning to have the ability to force the international isolation of Taiwan.

echelon 5y ago

I'm miffed that paulg publicly posts criticisms of the CCP, yet it's gotten my account flagged on HN for posting the same things about a half dozen times. Sometimes just questions about what people think the long term outcome will be. The desire is to keep this type of conversation off of HN (flamewar and politics), and admittedly sometimes my tone descends to that level, but it's frustrating that I have kept my mouth shut about the CCP and still have my posts severely rate limited. I think I can make six posts a day? Or if I say something that gets downvoted - eg. critical of Google, Apple, Facebook, monopolies, etc. I find my posting restricted almost immediately. And here's Paul posting repeatedly in the same tone about Xi, the CCP, etc. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 Etc. Frustrating. Tech is willing to silence itself and its workers for profit.

UncleMeat 5y ago
I'd wager that the "complaining about downvotes generates downvotes" effect is a bigger cause at this point.
- egberts 5y ago
  We have a phrase for that: “Streisand Effect”.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    That’s when people want to see something you’re trying to hide. The downvote effect is when your content is hidden because you want it to be seen. So I might dub it the Anti-Streisand effect.
- echelon 5y ago
  No, I get that. But I'm pretty confident that this is a flag on my account. I frequently see "you're posting too fast. please slow down. thanks", even when my posts are 100% upvoted. "Too fast" can be a handful of posts in a single day. I'm probably close to my limit now that I'm responding to you. I'll have to wait another day before I can post again. I think it also negatively weights my comments, though I don't have evidence yet. This flag was placed on my account for the reasons I stated above. I'm not going to mention it anymore because I don't want to get in any more trouble with the mods, but I find it unfortunate that pg can have the freedom to speak up against fascism whereas we cannot. I've had really good essays on biochemistry topics, finance, and machine learning that I've ultimately had to discard because of this.