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Not to mention that NBC not showing the proper flag for Taiwan as they reached third place overall gold medals. I’ve got better things to do than to watch stat

Not to mention that NBC not showing the proper flag for Taiwan as they reached third place overall gold medals. I’ve got better things to do than to watch state-sponsored selective narratives.

BLKNSLVR 5y ago
That's a condition of Taiwan entering the Olympics at all. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei-olympics-compromise-china/100304262 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei... I wonder, whilst looking at Hong Kong, why Taiwan would be at all worried about the One Country, Two Systems rule...
- egberts 5y ago
  Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become. Or rather how much power they have to force their views internationally, even when those views are objectively unreasonable. Here's another recent example: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cena-apologises-calling-taiwan-country-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cen...
    - Consultant32452 5y ago
      Their tentacles are everywhere. https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop...
  - whoevercares 5y ago
    “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: This dissension eventually came to a compromise when the term "Chinese Taipei" was first proposed in the Nagoya Resolution in 1979, whereby the ROC/Taiwan and the PRC/China recognize the right of participation to each other and remain as separate teams in any activities of the International Olympic Committee and its correlates. This term came into official in 1981 following a name change of Olympic Committee of the ROC to Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee. Edit: great job downvoting when it doesn’t fit your narrative
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: If Taiwan does declare independence, the PRC will start a war over it about 5 minutes later. Or at least there's a high enough chance of a bloody, crippling (for Taiwan) war that a declaration would be foolish, even if it's what Taiwan really wants. Citing one of the many compromises made because of that fact doesn't really justify the situation.
      - whoevercares 5y ago
        China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently.
        tablespoon 5y ago
        > China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently. The PRC has been poor, but it's never been weak. Remember: it fought the US and its allies to a standstill in the 50s. And this "compromise" was made when China was on the upswing and was beginning to have the ability to force the international isolation of Taiwan.
- echelon 5y ago
  I'm miffed that paulg publicly posts criticisms of the CCP, yet it's gotten my account flagged on HN for posting the same things about a half dozen times. Sometimes just questions about what people think the long term outcome will be. The desire is to keep this type of conversation off of HN (flamewar and politics), and admittedly sometimes my tone descends to that level, but it's frustrating that I have kept my mouth shut about the CCP and still have my posts severely rate limited. I think I can make six posts a day? Or if I say something that gets downvoted - eg. critical of Google, Apple, Facebook, monopolies, etc. I find my posting restricted almost immediately. And here's Paul posting repeatedly in the same tone about Xi, the CCP, etc. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 Etc. Frustrating. Tech is willing to silence itself and its workers for profit.
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    I'd wager that the "complaining about downvotes generates downvotes" effect is a bigger cause at this point.
    - egberts 5y ago
      We have a phrase for that: “Streisand Effect”.
      - jazzyjackson 5y ago
        That’s when people want to see something you’re trying to hide. The downvote effect is when your content is hidden because you want it to be seen. So I might dub it the Anti-Streisand effect.
    - echelon 5y ago
      No, I get that. But I'm pretty confident that this is a flag on my account. I frequently see "you're posting too fast. please slow down. thanks", even when my posts are 100% upvoted. "Too fast" can be a handful of posts in a single day. I'm probably close to my limit now that I'm responding to you. I'll have to wait another day before I can post again. I think it also negatively weights my comments, though I don't have evidence yet. This flag was placed on my account for the reasons I stated above. I'm not going to mention it anymore because I don't want to get in any more trouble with the mods, but I find it unfortunate that pg can have the freedom to speak up against fascism whereas we cannot. I've had really good essays on biochemistry topics, finance, and machine learning that I've ultimately had to discard because of this.
wayne 5y ago
I was incredibly confused this year by Russia being "ROC" and Taiwan being "Chinese Taipei", given I'd always mentally associated "ROC" with Republic of China aka Taiwan.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  Russia cheated with steroids / doping at a state level. So Russia itself was banned from the Olympics (their flag, their anthem, etc. etc.) The athletes shouldn't be punished however, so the athletes are allowed to get together to make their own group. At least, the 2021 athletes are not the same athletes who cheated years ago, so we should give them a chance at the world stage. Flying under the Olympic flag under a "not Russia" name is a good compromise IMO. It publicizes the cheat while still allowing the athletes to compete.
  - ufo 5y ago
    Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that the olympics should have picked a less confusing acronym for the Russian athletes.
  - dannyr 5y ago
    If a country cheats in the Olympics, who should be punished by the IOC then if they cannot ban the athletes? I think it was worth it for Russia to cheat in the Sochi Olympics. There doesn't seem to be any significant consequence from their violations.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      The 11 athletes who cheated at Sochi were banned for life from all Olympic events. The issue is that Russia as a state cheated as well, so its a bit difficult to figure out a proper punishment. They just didn't want to ban the new generation of athletes. A lot of these kids are just 19 years old (aka: they were 13 years old at Sochi). I think banning the cheaters, but not the "next generation" is a good plan.
  - mason55 5y ago
mason55 5y ago
It’s not NBC, it’s the olympics, and it’s been like this for years as part of a compromise that makes everyone unhappy except the athletes who might otherwise not get to compete at all.
sofixa 5y ago
Taiwan isn't an officially recognised country, being the successor to the entity that was defeated in the Chinese Civil war. Both them and the other entity, the Chinese Communists, ( PRC) claim full sovereignty over the entirety of Chinese territory, including the island of Taiwan ( formerly Formosa). Almost every country in the world, and the UN, recognise the PRC as the singular China. One day Taiwan should be recognised as its own independent and separate country due to reality, but the PRC is highly unlikely to allow that anytime soon.

Not to mention that NBC not showing the proper flag for Taiwan as they reached third place overall gold medals. I’ve got better things to do than to watch state-sponsored selective narratives.

BLKNSLVR 5y ago

That's a condition of Taiwan entering the Olympics at all. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei-olympics-compromise-china/100304262 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/taiwan-chinese-taipei... I wonder, whilst looking at Hong Kong, why Taiwan would be at all worried about the One Country, Two Systems rule...

egberts 5y ago
Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Truly shows how oppressive Mainland China government has become. Or rather how much power they have to force their views internationally, even when those views are objectively unreasonable. Here's another recent example: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cena-apologises-calling-taiwan-country-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/fast-furious-star-john-cen...
  - Consultant32452 5y ago
    Their tentacles are everywhere. https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-propaganda/ https://freebeacon.com/media/nyt-quietly-scrubs-chinese-prop...
- whoevercares 5y ago
  “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: This dissension eventually came to a compromise when the term "Chinese Taipei" was first proposed in the Nagoya Resolution in 1979, whereby the ROC/Taiwan and the PRC/China recognize the right of participation to each other and remain as separate teams in any activities of the International Olympic Committee and its correlates. This term came into official in 1981 following a name change of Olympic Committee of the ROC to Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee. Edit: great job downvoting when it doesn’t fit your narrative
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > “Has become”? That’s international standard until Taiwan truly declares independence. Quote Wikipedia: If Taiwan does declare independence, the PRC will start a war over it about 5 minutes later. Or at least there's a high enough chance of a bloody, crippling (for Taiwan) war that a declaration would be foolish, even if it's what Taiwan really wants. Citing one of the many compromises made because of that fact doesn't really justify the situation.
    - whoevercares 5y ago
      China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > China might be tougher recently but the this compromise was made years ago when China was weak and poor. In any way it’s a complicated 40+ years matter that has nothing to do with what China does recently. The PRC has been poor, but it's never been weak. Remember: it fought the US and its allies to a standstill in the 50s. And this "compromise" was made when China was on the upswing and was beginning to have the ability to force the international isolation of Taiwan.
echelon 5y ago
I'm miffed that paulg publicly posts criticisms of the CCP, yet it's gotten my account flagged on HN for posting the same things about a half dozen times. Sometimes just questions about what people think the long term outcome will be. The desire is to keep this type of conversation off of HN (flamewar and politics), and admittedly sometimes my tone descends to that level, but it's frustrating that I have kept my mouth shut about the CCP and still have my posts severely rate limited. I think I can make six posts a day? Or if I say something that gets downvoted - eg. critical of Google, Apple, Facebook, monopolies, etc. I find my posting restricted almost immediately. And here's Paul posting repeatedly in the same tone about Xi, the CCP, etc. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1418662122930724869?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1419367325556432905?s=19 Etc. Frustrating. Tech is willing to silence itself and its workers for profit.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  I'd wager that the "complaining about downvotes generates downvotes" effect is a bigger cause at this point.
  - egberts 5y ago
    We have a phrase for that: “Streisand Effect”.
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      That’s when people want to see something you’re trying to hide. The downvote effect is when your content is hidden because you want it to be seen. So I might dub it the Anti-Streisand effect.
  - echelon 5y ago
    No, I get that. But I'm pretty confident that this is a flag on my account. I frequently see "you're posting too fast. please slow down. thanks", even when my posts are 100% upvoted. "Too fast" can be a handful of posts in a single day. I'm probably close to my limit now that I'm responding to you. I'll have to wait another day before I can post again. I think it also negatively weights my comments, though I don't have evidence yet. This flag was placed on my account for the reasons I stated above. I'm not going to mention it anymore because I don't want to get in any more trouble with the mods, but I find it unfortunate that pg can have the freedom to speak up against fascism whereas we cannot. I've had really good essays on biochemistry topics, finance, and machine learning that I've ultimately had to discard because of this.

wayne 5y ago

I was incredibly confused this year by Russia being "ROC" and Taiwan being "Chinese Taipei", given I'd always mentally associated "ROC" with Republic of China aka Taiwan.

dragontamer 5y ago
Russia cheated with steroids / doping at a state level. So Russia itself was banned from the Olympics (their flag, their anthem, etc. etc.) The athletes shouldn't be punished however, so the athletes are allowed to get together to make their own group. At least, the 2021 athletes are not the same athletes who cheated years ago, so we should give them a chance at the world stage. Flying under the Olympic flag under a "not Russia" name is a good compromise IMO. It publicizes the cheat while still allowing the athletes to compete.
- ufo 5y ago
  Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that the olympics should have picked a less confusing acronym for the Russian athletes.
- dannyr 5y ago
  If a country cheats in the Olympics, who should be punished by the IOC then if they cannot ban the athletes? I think it was worth it for Russia to cheat in the Sochi Olympics. There doesn't seem to be any significant consequence from their violations.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    The 11 athletes who cheated at Sochi were banned for life from all Olympic events. The issue is that Russia as a state cheated as well, so its a bit difficult to figure out a proper punishment. They just didn't want to ban the new generation of athletes. A lot of these kids are just 19 years old (aka: they were 13 years old at Sochi). I think banning the cheaters, but not the "next generation" is a good plan.
- mason55 5y ago

mason55 5y ago

It’s not NBC, it’s the olympics, and it’s been like this for years as part of a compromise that makes everyone unhappy except the athletes who might otherwise not get to compete at all.

sofixa 5y ago

Taiwan isn't an officially recognised country, being the successor to the entity that was defeated in the Chinese Civil war. Both them and the other entity, the Chinese Communists, ( PRC) claim full sovereignty over the entirety of Chinese territory, including the island of Taiwan ( formerly Formosa). Almost every country in the world, and the UN, recognise the PRC as the singular China. One day Taiwan should be recognised as its own independent and separate country due to reality, but the PRC is highly unlikely to allow that anytime soon.