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https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/men-want-beauty-women-want-money-what-people-want-in-a-sexual-partner-20151001-gjyyot.html https://www.s

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/men-want-beauty-women-want-money-what-people-want-in-a-sexual-partner-20151001-gjyyot.html https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/men-... Just look at the charts. Honestly, failure to understand this simple aspect of human nature is the reason for a lot of social ill, ranging from 'incels' to the disastrous egalitarian social policies.

shadowgovt 5y ago
I'd be careful drawing broad conclusions from that study given the data source (https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/2016-fales.pdf https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/2016-fales.pdf): The bulk of the sample data came from an NBC News online poll. Online polls are subject to known biases (https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the-risks-to-online-polls-from-bogus-respondents/ https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the...). The second study (with a smaller but believed to be more representative sample) asked slightly different questions, and concluded that there was some statistical significance on "Makes at least as much money as I do" and "Has a successful career," which don't by themselves support the hypothesis that "women by and large prefer men to have a higher career title than themselves" (though I can agree that it waggles its eyebrows and points in that direction; perhaps suggesting follow-up studies).
- iammisc 5y ago
  > I can agree that it waggles its eyebrows Most people across the world wouldn't raise their eyebrows, since such claims are pretty much universal throughout most civilizations.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    I'd also be very careful throwing around a word as heavy as "most" when talking about something as broad and far-ranging as the collective experience of human civilizations. The [citation needed] for that is the stuff of multiple lifetimes of research.
    - Fjolsvith 5y ago
      The [citation needed] argument just says, "I'm going to ignore everything you present if it isn't proven, despite the fact that I've not proven my own position."
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        My position is simply to be skeptical of these assertions. People throw around a lot of unsourced claims; skepticism is often a correct response. There's nothing for one to prove when one's own position is "I'm not convinced by your argument." (For example, when the citation was provided on the claim a few layers upthread, it indeed was revealed to be wanting, as the bulk of its data relied on Internet polls).

shadowgovt 5y ago

I'd be careful drawing broad conclusions from that study given the data source (https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/2016-fales.pdf https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/2016-fales.pdf): The bulk of the sample data came from an NBC News online poll. Online polls are subject to known biases (https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the-risks-to-online-polls-from-bogus-respondents/ https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the...). The second study (with a smaller but believed to be more representative sample) asked slightly different questions, and concluded that there was some statistical significance on "Makes at least as much money as I do" and "Has a successful career," which don't by themselves support the hypothesis that "women by and large prefer men to have a higher career title than themselves" (though I can agree that it waggles its eyebrows and points in that direction; perhaps suggesting follow-up studies).

iammisc 5y ago
> I can agree that it waggles its eyebrows Most people across the world wouldn't raise their eyebrows, since such claims are pretty much universal throughout most civilizations.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  I'd also be very careful throwing around a word as heavy as "most" when talking about something as broad and far-ranging as the collective experience of human civilizations. The [citation needed] for that is the stuff of multiple lifetimes of research.
  - Fjolsvith 5y ago
    The [citation needed] argument just says, "I'm going to ignore everything you present if it isn't proven, despite the fact that I've not proven my own position."
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      My position is simply to be skeptical of these assertions. People throw around a lot of unsourced claims; skepticism is often a correct response. There's nothing for one to prove when one's own position is "I'm not convinced by your argument." (For example, when the citation was provided on the claim a few layers upthread, it indeed was revealed to be wanting, as the bulk of its data relied on Internet polls).