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Sure their is: Windows is a better fit for the things I do with a computer. Edit: I know right? How dare I express a preference for Windows. Downvote me to hel

Sure their is: Windows is a better fit for the things I do with a computer. Edit: I know right? How dare I express a preference for Windows. Downvote me to hell because I don't like using your favored OS.

robador 5y ago
Is Windows the better fit or is it the software that runs on it that doesn't have linux support?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  It's the OS. The application distribution model is, in my opinion, significantly better than Linux and it's package management/repo scheme. I don't have to recompile old software to keep using it 2 years later (or 10 for that matter), I can place applications on different disks than the OS resides on, I can keep multiple versions of the same application, etc.
- hulitu 5y ago
  No and no. Windows is "the better fit" because: 1) AD. 2) corruption (it's a very long story, see Munich for one). 3) anticompetitive behavior. 4) Excel.
- MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  Is there a difference really? Microsoft spent years and literally billions to get developers on their OS (see Balmer's "developers developers developers" speech in the nineties). Of course some people consider this evil.
finalis 5y ago
I used to think that too before I made the switch to macOS. Yes it was a learning curve initially, but it wasn't unmanageable, and you start to uncover Windows annoyances that you never knew existed because you were used to them and conditioned into thinking they were normal for so long. You'd be surprised how flexible your needs are when you aren't pigeonholing yourself.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  I have used other operating systems, including Linux and MacOS. While I am fond of MacOS Application Bundles, I do not like many other things, like single-button mice, limited choice in hardware, and relative lack of gaming.
  - djxfade 5y ago
    Apple's mice haven't been single button since ages ago. Right click works out of the box, and all of their own mice also supports right clicking in various ways
    - salamandersauce 5y ago
      Yet they still build the Magic mouse as though it was a single button mouse so it doesn't actually have 2 separate switches, just 1 in the middle. This annoyingly means that clicks don't always click if you're too far from the center. Apple has never actually built a mouse with 2 distinct switches for left and right click. It's like they are too proud or something and "right" click needs to be faked for some reason.
      - djxfade 5y ago
        Sure, but to be fair, most laptops these days does the same.
  - vetinari 5y ago
    You know you can connect any USB mice you want, right? Right now, I'm using a Steelseries one with a Mac. All six buttons and the scroll-wheel work fine.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      > You know you can connect any USB mice you want, right? Yes, I'm aware of that. When I last seriously used MacOS X it was still the PPC era, and while technically you could use a 2 button mouse it wasn't really designed for it. Anyway, compared to other complaints that's a minor gripe of mine.
l30n4da5 5y ago
for the most part, HN is pretty squarely in the 'windows bad linux good' camp. It is dumb af since according to a lot of the users on here, linux is gods gift to humanity. doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows.
- sneak 5y ago
  This is a false equivalence.
  - l30n4da5 5y ago
    how, exactly?
- hanselot 5y ago
  At least in Linux the dumpster fire's contents isn't hidden behind a corporate framework of people trying to hide the flames. At least the Linux fire doesn't attempt to take over other trashcans and force you to update your trash without consent. At least the Linux fire doesn't preinstall its fire in my trashcan artifically driving up the price of trashcans in the market. At least in the Linux fire, if you apply yourself and learn enough about your trash, you can choose how much trash and fire is in your trashcan. At least in the Linux fire, the fire tells you that its dangerous, instead of hiding everything behind stripped down excuses of flames from yester-year. At least in the Linux fire I can plan to barbecue something over a section of fire and know that it will consistently burn the same way, instead of spreading everywhere and the trashcan exploding. The irony of course being, that the people who argue for any other fire, have to first answer, why does Windows now feature Linux embedded inside itself?
- bogwog 5y ago
  > doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows. Yeah, but the difference is that Linux is MY dumpster fire, not Microsoft's!
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mmsimanga 5y ago
I am guessing down votes are not for expressing your opinion but rather for not providing context. Why is Windows better option for you?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Why would it matter? So they could try and change my mind?[0] That I prefer the way Windows works is sufficient reason to continue to use it instead of Linux Desktop. Why is not really relevant. [0] I've played that game a thousand times and it is always an exercise in frustration. No thanks.
  - kempbellt 5y ago
    "Windows good, you can't change my mind!" doesn't add anything of value to the conversation, especially for people who aren't dead-set either way. If you swear by windows, you probably have good reasons. People who like windows would love to hear them. Otherwise, why partake in a conversation that frustrates you at all if you don't want to argue in support of your opinion? +1 for the windows camp: Personally, I haven't found a better alternative for running Adobe programs on good hardware without taking out a loan on my house (mac pros are a no-go). So Windows works best here. Another +1 for the windows camp: Gaming (but SteamOS is starting to compete here). Other than that, I have found that some variant of linux or macOS outperforms windows in every way for my needs (insert obligatory, YMMV), and I am happy to list those out if anyone is interested or needs help deciding which OS suits their needs best.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      > "Windows good, you can't change my mind!" doesn't add anything of value to the conversation I was making a specific counterpoint to the argument "there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft". My point needed no elaboration to be valid. > Otherwise, why partake in a conversation that frustrates you at all if you don't want to argue in support of your opinion? Because in my experience said "conversations" always devolve into the same useless arguments, which are entirely irrelevant to the point that people have good reasons they use Windows because anyone else's opinion of their reasons is irrelevant.
talentedcoin 5y ago
Don’t let the haters drag you down. Myself I think Windows is fine (I work in finance). I use Fedora at home as my daily driver but lots of things on Windows are just as easy (or as tricky) to get running as they are anywhere else.

robador 5y ago

Is Windows the better fit or is it the software that runs on it that doesn't have linux support?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
It's the OS. The application distribution model is, in my opinion, significantly better than Linux and it's package management/repo scheme. I don't have to recompile old software to keep using it 2 years later (or 10 for that matter), I can place applications on different disks than the OS resides on, I can keep multiple versions of the same application, etc.
hulitu 5y ago
No and no. Windows is "the better fit" because: 1) AD. 2) corruption (it's a very long story, see Munich for one). 3) anticompetitive behavior. 4) Excel.
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
Is there a difference really? Microsoft spent years and literally billions to get developers on their OS (see Balmer's "developers developers developers" speech in the nineties). Of course some people consider this evil.

finalis 5y ago

I used to think that too before I made the switch to macOS. Yes it was a learning curve initially, but it wasn't unmanageable, and you start to uncover Windows annoyances that you never knew existed because you were used to them and conditioned into thinking they were normal for so long. You'd be surprised how flexible your needs are when you aren't pigeonholing yourself.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
I have used other operating systems, including Linux and MacOS. While I am fond of MacOS Application Bundles, I do not like many other things, like single-button mice, limited choice in hardware, and relative lack of gaming.
- djxfade 5y ago
  Apple's mice haven't been single button since ages ago. Right click works out of the box, and all of their own mice also supports right clicking in various ways
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    Yet they still build the Magic mouse as though it was a single button mouse so it doesn't actually have 2 separate switches, just 1 in the middle. This annoyingly means that clicks don't always click if you're too far from the center. Apple has never actually built a mouse with 2 distinct switches for left and right click. It's like they are too proud or something and "right" click needs to be faked for some reason.
    - djxfade 5y ago
      Sure, but to be fair, most laptops these days does the same.
- vetinari 5y ago
  You know you can connect any USB mice you want, right? Right now, I'm using a Steelseries one with a Mac. All six buttons and the scroll-wheel work fine.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > You know you can connect any USB mice you want, right? Yes, I'm aware of that. When I last seriously used MacOS X it was still the PPC era, and while technically you could use a 2 button mouse it wasn't really designed for it. Anyway, compared to other complaints that's a minor gripe of mine.

l30n4da5 5y ago

for the most part, HN is pretty squarely in the 'windows bad linux good' camp. It is dumb af since according to a lot of the users on here, linux is gods gift to humanity. doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows.

sneak 5y ago
This is a false equivalence.
- l30n4da5 5y ago
  how, exactly?
hanselot 5y ago
At least in Linux the dumpster fire's contents isn't hidden behind a corporate framework of people trying to hide the flames. At least the Linux fire doesn't attempt to take over other trashcans and force you to update your trash without consent. At least the Linux fire doesn't preinstall its fire in my trashcan artifically driving up the price of trashcans in the market. At least in the Linux fire, if you apply yourself and learn enough about your trash, you can choose how much trash and fire is in your trashcan. At least in the Linux fire, the fire tells you that its dangerous, instead of hiding everything behind stripped down excuses of flames from yester-year. At least in the Linux fire I can plan to barbecue something over a section of fire and know that it will consistently burn the same way, instead of spreading everywhere and the trashcan exploding. The irony of course being, that the people who argue for any other fire, have to first answer, why does Windows now feature Linux embedded inside itself?
bogwog 5y ago
> doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows. Yeah, but the difference is that Linux is MY dumpster fire, not Microsoft's!
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mmsimanga 5y ago

I am guessing down votes are not for expressing your opinion but rather for not providing context. Why is Windows better option for you?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Why would it matter? So they could try and change my mind?[0] That I prefer the way Windows works is sufficient reason to continue to use it instead of Linux Desktop. Why is not really relevant. [0] I've played that game a thousand times and it is always an exercise in frustration. No thanks.
- kempbellt 5y ago
  "Windows good, you can't change my mind!" doesn't add anything of value to the conversation, especially for people who aren't dead-set either way. If you swear by windows, you probably have good reasons. People who like windows would love to hear them. Otherwise, why partake in a conversation that frustrates you at all if you don't want to argue in support of your opinion? +1 for the windows camp: Personally, I haven't found a better alternative for running Adobe programs on good hardware without taking out a loan on my house (mac pros are a no-go). So Windows works best here. Another +1 for the windows camp: Gaming (but SteamOS is starting to compete here). Other than that, I have found that some variant of linux or macOS outperforms windows in every way for my needs (insert obligatory, YMMV), and I am happy to list those out if anyone is interested or needs help deciding which OS suits their needs best.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > "Windows good, you can't change my mind!" doesn't add anything of value to the conversation I was making a specific counterpoint to the argument "there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft". My point needed no elaboration to be valid. > Otherwise, why partake in a conversation that frustrates you at all if you don't want to argue in support of your opinion? Because in my experience said "conversations" always devolve into the same useless arguments, which are entirely irrelevant to the point that people have good reasons they use Windows because anyone else's opinion of their reasons is irrelevant.

talentedcoin 5y ago

Don’t let the haters drag you down. Myself I think Windows is fine (I work in finance). I use Fedora at home as my daily driver but lots of things on Windows are just as easy (or as tricky) to get running as they are anywhere else.