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BBC presenter died of blood clot from the jab: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-presenter-died-blood-clot-20695064 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/

BBC presenter died of blood clot from the jab: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-presenter-died-blood-clot-20695064 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-presenter-die... Mandating a medicine which many people don't really need is yet the most unethical dystopian thing of our current times. This is nothing like paying taxes because no tax bill has caused someone to die from side effects. Also I know that those side effects are extremely rare, but if you force it on 100% of the population then you know that there will be some who will be affected and you are essentially willingly killing some in order to protect others. That is completely unethical in principle. And I repeat, I am pro vaccine, but not forcefully applied to everyone. It should be a choice. I was happy to get vaccinated because I wasn't afraid of any side effects. But I also wasn't afraid of COVID so there's that.

scrollaway 5y ago
When you're talking about side effects that are this rare, I can guarantee you that the side effects of just about anything are just as frequent. "Nobody has died from a tax bill" is nonsense. If you give it more than a moment's thought, you'll realize that there's probably plenty of people who have in fact died as a side effect of any type of unexpected bill, and that can include tax bill. Your premise that "many people don't really need" the vaccine for a highly infectious, highly transmissible disease is flawed from the get go. If you don't get the vaccine, you will catch COVID at one point or another, especially as its transmissibility goes up. And if you catch it, it's just a roll of the die whether you suffer side effects from it or not. This isn't about being scared of it or not, it's about numbers. Regardless on whether you suffer side effects, you will be a transmission vector. And if you do suffer side effects, you'll be a burden on society. It is in fact society's responsibility to prevent this from happening. I'm not a fan of nanny states, but when so many people are so eager to be not only selfish but a danger to themselves, fuck it all to hell, I'm pro mandatory vaccination at that point. I'd never have been pro mandatory vaccines until I found out just how many anti-vax people there are. Funny how that works: The more of them there are, the more we need to make them mandatory.
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- dustinmoris 5y ago
  > "Nobody has died from a tax bill" is nonsense. If you give it more than a moment's thought, you'll realize that there's probably plenty of people who have in fact died as a side effect of any type of unexpected bill, and that can include tax bill. Don't be ridiculous. That is just plain ridiculous. > If you don't get the vaccine, you will catch COVID at one point or another Vaccinated people also continue to catch COVID. The vaccine doesn't shut the entry points, just helps your body to fight it off when it enters you. > And if you catch it, it's just a roll of the die whether you suffer side effects from it or not. A roll of the die means 50% chance and that is just ridiculous again. The vast majority of people and close to 100% of young healthy people have no lasting effects whatsoever of an infection. I agree the effects are different for different people, but it's not a roll of the die. That statement is just complete stupid nonsense. > Regardless on whether you suffer side effects, you will be a transmission vector. Only people with enough viral load will have enough virus to spill it. This is why asymptomatic or minor infections like those of vaccinated people have a near zero chance of transmission. This is precisely why double vaccinated people don't need to quarantine in many countries anymore. > And if you do suffer side effects, you'll be a burden on society. This is the biggest idiot statement I have ever read. Young healthy people who want to work, live life and socialise ARE NOT a burden on society. Do you know who is a burden on society? People who can't stop eating McDonalds, cake and drink Coca Cola and therefore need protection from a mild virus and who cost us so much public money with all their health issues being treated by our free health service. Smokers are a burden on society. People driving polluting cars are a burden on society. Facebook is a burden on society. Not young healthy innocent people who just want to go about life, enjoy their time on this planet, work and socialise. If normal healthy people are a danger to other people by just walking normally through life and breathing air normally is putting others in danger, maybe those "others" are the burden on society.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    A roll of the die is not 50 percent (that'd be the flip of a coin); I take it English is not your native language, so just for the record what I meant was "it's down to luck". This latest comment proves one thing: you're a burden on society whether you want to admit it or not (and whether you're vaccinated has long stopped being relevant, this attitude is a problem). You're just trying to rationalize yourself away by trying desperately to find people "worse" than you. McDonalds eh? Come off it. Your arguments are so off base they're not even worth debating. Done wasting time with you.

scrollaway 5y ago

When you're talking about side effects that are this rare, I can guarantee you that the side effects of just about anything are just as frequent. "Nobody has died from a tax bill" is nonsense. If you give it more than a moment's thought, you'll realize that there's probably plenty of people who have in fact died as a side effect of any type of unexpected bill, and that can include tax bill. Your premise that "many people don't really need" the vaccine for a highly infectious, highly transmissible disease is flawed from the get go. If you don't get the vaccine, you will catch COVID at one point or another, especially as its transmissibility goes up. And if you catch it, it's just a roll of the die whether you suffer side effects from it or not. This isn't about being scared of it or not, it's about numbers. Regardless on whether you suffer side effects, you will be a transmission vector. And if you do suffer side effects, you'll be a burden on society. It is in fact society's responsibility to prevent this from happening. I'm not a fan of nanny states, but when so many people are so eager to be not only selfish but a danger to themselves, fuck it all to hell, I'm pro mandatory vaccination at that point. I'd never have been pro mandatory vaccines until I found out just how many anti-vax people there are. Funny how that works: The more of them there are, the more we need to make them mandatory.

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dustinmoris 5y ago
> "Nobody has died from a tax bill" is nonsense. If you give it more than a moment's thought, you'll realize that there's probably plenty of people who have in fact died as a side effect of any type of unexpected bill, and that can include tax bill. Don't be ridiculous. That is just plain ridiculous. > If you don't get the vaccine, you will catch COVID at one point or another Vaccinated people also continue to catch COVID. The vaccine doesn't shut the entry points, just helps your body to fight it off when it enters you. > And if you catch it, it's just a roll of the die whether you suffer side effects from it or not. A roll of the die means 50% chance and that is just ridiculous again. The vast majority of people and close to 100% of young healthy people have no lasting effects whatsoever of an infection. I agree the effects are different for different people, but it's not a roll of the die. That statement is just complete stupid nonsense. > Regardless on whether you suffer side effects, you will be a transmission vector. Only people with enough viral load will have enough virus to spill it. This is why asymptomatic or minor infections like those of vaccinated people have a near zero chance of transmission. This is precisely why double vaccinated people don't need to quarantine in many countries anymore. > And if you do suffer side effects, you'll be a burden on society. This is the biggest idiot statement I have ever read. Young healthy people who want to work, live life and socialise ARE NOT a burden on society. Do you know who is a burden on society? People who can't stop eating McDonalds, cake and drink Coca Cola and therefore need protection from a mild virus and who cost us so much public money with all their health issues being treated by our free health service. Smokers are a burden on society. People driving polluting cars are a burden on society. Facebook is a burden on society. Not young healthy innocent people who just want to go about life, enjoy their time on this planet, work and socialise. If normal healthy people are a danger to other people by just walking normally through life and breathing air normally is putting others in danger, maybe those "others" are the burden on society.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  A roll of the die is not 50 percent (that'd be the flip of a coin); I take it English is not your native language, so just for the record what I meant was "it's down to luck". This latest comment proves one thing: you're a burden on society whether you want to admit it or not (and whether you're vaccinated has long stopped being relevant, this attitude is a problem). You're just trying to rationalize yourself away by trying desperately to find people "worse" than you. McDonalds eh? Come off it. Your arguments are so off base they're not even worth debating. Done wasting time with you.