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> There are much fewer female Chess players, so it is logical that there are less female GM’s But even relative to the total number of female players, much sma

> There are much fewer female Chess players, so it is logical that there are less female GM’s But even relative to the total number of female players, much smaller % reaches GM.

hereforphone 5y ago
Should we do what we now do in other areas (military) and change the definition / standards of GM to encourage "equality"?
- iamstupidsimple 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_titles#Woman_Grandmaster_(WGM) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_titles#Woman_Grandmaste...
  - V-2 5y ago
    It's a different title, however. It is Woman Grandmaster. It is not at all easier for a woman to obtain the regular Grandmaster title. A subtle difference perhaps, but nevertheless a difference.
dahart 5y ago
It makes sense that if the participation rate for women is lower, then the attrition rate is also higher, no? Or what was your point? There is a variety of possible reasons this is happening, and the same effects can be seen in business (smaller ratio of female CEOs than employees) and other competitive sports historically dominated by men.
typon 5y ago
Most likely because the dedication required to reach grandmaster level, essentially wasting your life away for a game, is socialized out of women in most cultures because they have to have responsibilities and be care givers. It's becoming less and less true though, at least in western culture.
ar_lan 5y ago
> But even relative to the total number of female players, much smaller % reaches GM. Less women also have access to top-tier coaches and the training available to their male counter-parts. It's not just that fewer women play - it's that there are less females in the community, in the form of role models, coaches, competition, etc. Note that the top female in chess history (and her sisters, who are both highly accomplished chess players) were heavily coached by a decent player himself from the age of 4-onward. But how many women get that similar type of opportunity?

> There are much fewer female Chess players, so it is logical that there are less female GM’s But even relative to the total number of female players, much smaller % reaches GM.

hereforphone 5y ago

Should we do what we now do in other areas (military) and change the definition / standards of GM to encourage "equality"?

iamstupidsimple 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_titles#Woman_Grandmaster_(WGM) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_titles#Woman_Grandmaste...
- V-2 5y ago
  It's a different title, however. It is Woman Grandmaster. It is not at all easier for a woman to obtain the regular Grandmaster title. A subtle difference perhaps, but nevertheless a difference.

dahart 5y ago

It makes sense that if the participation rate for women is lower, then the attrition rate is also higher, no? Or what was your point? There is a variety of possible reasons this is happening, and the same effects can be seen in business (smaller ratio of female CEOs than employees) and other competitive sports historically dominated by men.

typon 5y ago

Most likely because the dedication required to reach grandmaster level, essentially wasting your life away for a game, is socialized out of women in most cultures because they have to have responsibilities and be care givers. It's becoming less and less true though, at least in western culture.

ar_lan 5y ago

> But even relative to the total number of female players, much smaller % reaches GM. Less women also have access to top-tier coaches and the training available to their male counter-parts. It's not just that fewer women play - it's that there are less females in the community, in the form of role models, coaches, competition, etc. Note that the top female in chess history (and her sisters, who are both highly accomplished chess players) were heavily coached by a decent player himself from the age of 4-onward. But how many women get that similar type of opportunity?