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The UK isn't even manning its customs posts for imports from the EU at present. And there is no tariffs on the vast majority of exports to the EU - and certainl

The UK isn't even manning its customs posts for imports from the EU at present. And there is no tariffs on the vast majority of exports to the EU - and certainly not on semiconductors. FDI in 2020 was almost identical to France (albeit yes 2nd to France in 1st place) for Europe: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/07/uk-second-to-france-again-for-attracting-foreign-investment-in-europe-brexit-covid-19 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/07/uk-second-t... This is counter to your claims concerning FDI. I doubt it is "much easier" for skilled immigration - do you have anything to support that? How is it even measured?

fundatus 5y ago
No one (apart from Brexiters) cares that much about tariffs. EU tariffs are some of the lowest in the world - the average applied tariff for imports into the EU in 2019 was just 1.88%. Compare that to 6% for India or 13% for the US. What really matters are non-tariff-barriers - and this is where the EU really excels. After all, that is what it was build for. FDI into the UK fell from 101,241m to just 59,137m USD in 2019. Your article doesn't look at the value of the investments but just the number of projects.
nbevans 5y ago
"No one (apart from Brexiters) cares that much about tariffs. EU tariffs are some of the lowest in the world - the average applied tariff for imports into the EU in 2019 was just 1.88%. Compare that to 6% for India or 13% for the US." Bizarre comment. You initiated it by suggesting the UK has erected "giant trade barriers" but then reply saying nobody cares about trade tariffs? And then immediately in the second sentence go on to compare trade tariffs globally? What exactly is your point as it isn't really cutting across?
- fundatus 5y ago
  My point is that UK politicians are obsessed with tariffs and free trade agreements, while in reality those play a minor role (as EU tariffs are generally very low). What really matters to companies though are non-tariff-barriers (regulations etc). By deciding to leave the single market, the UK has erected huge non-tariff trade barriers with their biggest trading partner (the EU).
- rsynnott 5y ago
  As mentioned elsewhere, the tariff aren't the issue for most industries; non-tariff barriers are. I would think the UK's plan for a sort of parallel REACH regulation (REACH is the EU's chemical regulation) after the transition period ends would be particularly burdensome for the semiconductor industry.
  - nbevans 5y ago
    Two questions: Why would copy-pasted (from EU REACH) "UK REACH" regulations present more of a burden to the semiconductor industry than EU REACH? What NTBs exist that are known to affect the semiconductor industry?
    - fundatus 5y ago
      Because it's now two things to care of. Which will diverge eventually, even if only ever so slightly. If not, what's the point of the whole exercise? It just adds additional friction. Whereas when you set out your supply chains within the EU single market you don't have to deal with that.
      - nbevans 5y ago
        That's your take. Business' take is that they are more than willing to invest the time to find nuanced subtle differences between countries regulatory environments so that they can exploit them for monetary gain. The UK REACH and EU REACH regulations apply to production process - not to the finished exportable product. Hence TSMC in this case would only need to implement REACH within the country it has chosen as its production base. Between the choice of the UK or EU - this would mean it is still only "one thing" to take care of. Unless it ever intended to open production bases in both territories - in which case the territory with the "older" version of REACH would almost certainly win any "ease of doing business" test - so probably the UK at some future date once EU REACH Version 2 materialises (and assuming the UK doesn't blindly copy-paste it again).
        rsynnott 5y ago
rsynnott 5y ago
> The UK isn't even manning its customs posts for imports from the EU at present. I mean, largely true, but entirely irrelevant to someone planning a factory. That's a temporary situation that cannot realistically continue.
- jonp888 5y ago
  > That's a temporary situation that cannot realistically continue. It might not be realistic, but it is UK government policy: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-asks-for-brexit-standstill-which-would-see-northern-ireland-checks-put-on-hold-indefinitely-1120286 https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-asks-for-brexit-standst...
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    Plenty of things that aren't realistic are UK government policy, especially these days. It's not plausible that it'll stay as it is indefinitely. That's a separate though related issue, btw; that's the border between GB and NI, not the border between GB and Europe proper. The difference there is that the UK controls both sides of the border, so their failure to enforce is seen as more urgent.

fundatus 5y ago

No one (apart from Brexiters) cares that much about tariffs. EU tariffs are some of the lowest in the world - the average applied tariff for imports into the EU in 2019 was just 1.88%. Compare that to 6% for India or 13% for the US. What really matters are non-tariff-barriers - and this is where the EU really excels. After all, that is what it was build for. FDI into the UK fell from 101,241m to just 59,137m USD in 2019. Your article doesn't look at the value of the investments but just the number of projects.

nbevans 5y ago

"No one (apart from Brexiters) cares that much about tariffs. EU tariffs are some of the lowest in the world - the average applied tariff for imports into the EU in 2019 was just 1.88%. Compare that to 6% for India or 13% for the US." Bizarre comment. You initiated it by suggesting the UK has erected "giant trade barriers" but then reply saying nobody cares about trade tariffs? And then immediately in the second sentence go on to compare trade tariffs globally? What exactly is your point as it isn't really cutting across?

fundatus 5y ago
My point is that UK politicians are obsessed with tariffs and free trade agreements, while in reality those play a minor role (as EU tariffs are generally very low). What really matters to companies though are non-tariff-barriers (regulations etc). By deciding to leave the single market, the UK has erected huge non-tariff trade barriers with their biggest trading partner (the EU).
rsynnott 5y ago
As mentioned elsewhere, the tariff aren't the issue for most industries; non-tariff barriers are. I would think the UK's plan for a sort of parallel REACH regulation (REACH is the EU's chemical regulation) after the transition period ends would be particularly burdensome for the semiconductor industry.
- nbevans 5y ago
  Two questions: Why would copy-pasted (from EU REACH) "UK REACH" regulations present more of a burden to the semiconductor industry than EU REACH? What NTBs exist that are known to affect the semiconductor industry?
  - fundatus 5y ago
    Because it's now two things to care of. Which will diverge eventually, even if only ever so slightly. If not, what's the point of the whole exercise? It just adds additional friction. Whereas when you set out your supply chains within the EU single market you don't have to deal with that.
    - nbevans 5y ago
      That's your take. Business' take is that they are more than willing to invest the time to find nuanced subtle differences between countries regulatory environments so that they can exploit them for monetary gain. The UK REACH and EU REACH regulations apply to production process - not to the finished exportable product. Hence TSMC in this case would only need to implement REACH within the country it has chosen as its production base. Between the choice of the UK or EU - this would mean it is still only "one thing" to take care of. Unless it ever intended to open production bases in both territories - in which case the territory with the "older" version of REACH would almost certainly win any "ease of doing business" test - so probably the UK at some future date once EU REACH Version 2 materialises (and assuming the UK doesn't blindly copy-paste it again).
      - rsynnott 5y ago

rsynnott 5y ago

> The UK isn't even manning its customs posts for imports from the EU at present. I mean, largely true, but entirely irrelevant to someone planning a factory. That's a temporary situation that cannot realistically continue.

jonp888 5y ago
> That's a temporary situation that cannot realistically continue. It might not be realistic, but it is UK government policy: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-asks-for-brexit-standstill-which-would-see-northern-ireland-checks-put-on-hold-indefinitely-1120286 https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/uk-asks-for-brexit-standst...
- rsynnott 5y ago
  Plenty of things that aren't realistic are UK government policy, especially these days. It's not plausible that it'll stay as it is indefinitely. That's a separate though related issue, btw; that's the border between GB and NI, not the border between GB and Europe proper. The difference there is that the UK controls both sides of the border, so their failure to enforce is seen as more urgent.