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Celebrating incorrectness, eh? Nothing wrong with being wrong, but not willing to learn... I don't know. > If you speak any non-English language, you will know

Celebrating incorrectness, eh? Nothing wrong with being wrong, but not willing to learn... I don't know. > If you speak any non-English language, you will know that this obsession with getting English-language speakers to pronounce foreign words "correctly" is unique It's not unique, you think is unique because you are English-language speaker. Anyone speaking X natively will correct others learning X if they ask, but they will not mention it or pay attention to it if they are just talking, only encourage it. The proper 'correctness' will come much later when you really want to learn the language but at that point you will ask for the correcting yourself And if you mean the names of people/places/movies/etc. how can you not be corrected? It's literally the name you are trying to say

rendall 5y ago
> you think is unique because you are English-language speaker I am a native English-language speaker, but I speak other languages as well. In all languages, there is exactly zero expectation that speakers will pronounce English words like English-speakers do. Because in all languages, foreign words are remade into native words. As it had been in English until the mid 20th century. >And if you mean the names of people/places/movies/etc. how can you not be corrected? Not sure what language you speak natively, but no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland, nor Spaniards for saying "Nueva York", nor the French for saying "Angleterre".
- ithinkso 5y ago
  You are being downvoted, as should you, but I still want to answer your questions. > Not sure what language you speak natively Polish >but no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland, nor Spaniards for saying "Nueva York", nor the French for saying "Angleterre". It's literally the second thing people learn when learning a second language. The first is how to say your name, the second is where are you from. And then you pretend to be from somewhere else and do to the above. After the first lesson of any language the only thing you know is your name and names of other countries lol so I'm not sure what are you talking about
  - rendall 5y ago
    > You are being downvoted I am not being downvoted > as should you Downvotes are for "contravenes guidelines" not "holds opinions with which I disagree" > lol so I'm not sure what are you talking about With sincere respect, I think you should take the time to understand my argument instead of assuming it is invalid.
- throwaway02824 5y ago
  > no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland This is a strawman. Italian here. I would never dream of using the word "Germania" with someone that does not speak Italian expecting them to understand that it's the Italian way to pronounce Deutschland.
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  - rendall 5y ago
    Great. > I would never dream of using the word "Germania" with someone that does not speak Italian... That's the strawman. In the example, we're talking about Italians, speaking Italian, not being corrected for speaking non-Italian words like Italians do. So, when speaking Italian, if a German insisted that you pronounce his homeland as Deutschland not Germania you would think he was a nut. So, when speaking English, why would you insist that someone saying "brusheta" is wrong? Help me understand.
    - throwaway02824 5y ago
      You are still strawmanning. "Germania" is the Italian name for Germany. It's not a butchering of "Deutschland". There is an English equivalent for the French "crêpe": pancake, and it's OK. OTOH there isn't an English word "brusheta". It's 100% butchering of the Italian word. Even worse if you use it in a restaurant and demand native Italian speakers to understand it and refuse any correction. It's like I call you "rendass".

rendall 5y ago

> you think is unique because you are English-language speaker I am a native English-language speaker, but I speak other languages as well. In all languages, there is exactly zero expectation that speakers will pronounce English words like English-speakers do. Because in all languages, foreign words are remade into native words. As it had been in English until the mid 20th century. >And if you mean the names of people/places/movies/etc. how can you not be corrected? Not sure what language you speak natively, but no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland, nor Spaniards for saying "Nueva York", nor the French for saying "Angleterre".

ithinkso 5y ago
You are being downvoted, as should you, but I still want to answer your questions. > Not sure what language you speak natively Polish >but no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland, nor Spaniards for saying "Nueva York", nor the French for saying "Angleterre". It's literally the second thing people learn when learning a second language. The first is how to say your name, the second is where are you from. And then you pretend to be from somewhere else and do to the above. After the first lesson of any language the only thing you know is your name and names of other countries lol so I'm not sure what are you talking about
- rendall 5y ago
  > You are being downvoted I am not being downvoted > as should you Downvotes are for "contravenes guidelines" not "holds opinions with which I disagree" > lol so I'm not sure what are you talking about With sincere respect, I think you should take the time to understand my argument instead of assuming it is invalid.
throwaway02824 5y ago
> no one corrects Italians for saying "Germania" instead of Deutschland This is a strawman. Italian here. I would never dream of using the word "Germania" with someone that does not speak Italian expecting them to understand that it's the Italian way to pronounce Deutschland.
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- rendall 5y ago
  Great. > I would never dream of using the word "Germania" with someone that does not speak Italian... That's the strawman. In the example, we're talking about Italians, speaking Italian, not being corrected for speaking non-Italian words like Italians do. So, when speaking Italian, if a German insisted that you pronounce his homeland as Deutschland not Germania you would think he was a nut. So, when speaking English, why would you insist that someone saying "brusheta" is wrong? Help me understand.
  - throwaway02824 5y ago
    You are still strawmanning. "Germania" is the Italian name for Germany. It's not a butchering of "Deutschland". There is an English equivalent for the French "crêpe": pancake, and it's OK. OTOH there isn't an English word "brusheta". It's 100% butchering of the Italian word. Even worse if you use it in a restaurant and demand native Italian speakers to understand it and refuse any correction. It's like I call you "rendass".