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People have difficulties to accept change when innovations go from liberating to considered harmful in a decade. Cars, smartphones … What feels weird is the «

People have difficulties to accept change when innovations go from liberating to considered harmful in a decade. Cars, smartphones … What feels weird is the « reaction »: as environmental concerns progress, cars (and smartphones) are still being manufactured and marketed as more powerful, faster, shinier, brighter, … production costs are still dwarfing the energy saved by new models efficiency, by a lot. I like driving my roadster car. It has a rather humble 1.8l engine, I bought it second hand and I don’t commute with it.

noduerme 5y ago
This is true. I was always anti-smart phone and anti-social media. As well as being anti buying anything unnecessary. My car is 40 years old. But now my modest positions seem at odds with the holier than thou PC police, who indulge in all of the above and yet somehow feel morally superior enough to 'splain to me why no one should drive a car. This all goes back to not approaching people by telling them what you're against, because it makes even the most righteous person come off as a hypocrite.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  You sound quite upset about these hypothetical people, but it's not clear to me why? Are you angry that they are buying and driving wasteful, inefficient cars and causing pollution and global warming, because that sounds like it would make you the PC police, no? Or are you angry that they correctly and factually think that cars/social media/whatever have negative impacts? You actually seem to agree that they do, which again would seem to place you in the ranks of the PC Police. Are you angry that they do both of these things at the same time? I'm not quite sure how you're measuring this, but again, you seem to be in this same general category, thinking we should spend less money on flashy cars but also owning an old car, so you're not a RMS level refusnik when it comes to cars, you could probably be 'holier' than 80% of the US population on that topic but you're not at the absolute extreme. Are you arguing that you're like 80% of this opinion, and feel it's okay to be say 50-90% of the way along this spectrum but people that are more than 90% along really, really annoy you? More so than people at the opposite side of the 50% mark? I understand that people can be annoying, but it feels logical to separate out annoyance and correctness. But even if you don't, it feels like you are biased towards the status quo in terms of what you find annoying acts even if you yourself are mostly on the right side of the issue. Possibly humans just don't like being reminded that they can do better, as it makes them feel bad about themselves. We should probably reframe it to areas where we can most easily improve at low cost.
  - noduerme 5y ago
    Your last statement, I believe, is the point of the article. > Possibly humans just don't like being reminded that they can do better Humans don't like other humans who go around acting like they're better because they're doing Y and you're doing X.

noduerme 5y ago

This is true. I was always anti-smart phone and anti-social media. As well as being anti buying anything unnecessary. My car is 40 years old. But now my modest positions seem at odds with the holier than thou PC police, who indulge in all of the above and yet somehow feel morally superior enough to 'splain to me why no one should drive a car. This all goes back to not approaching people by telling them what you're against, because it makes even the most righteous person come off as a hypocrite.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
You sound quite upset about these hypothetical people, but it's not clear to me why? Are you angry that they are buying and driving wasteful, inefficient cars and causing pollution and global warming, because that sounds like it would make you the PC police, no? Or are you angry that they correctly and factually think that cars/social media/whatever have negative impacts? You actually seem to agree that they do, which again would seem to place you in the ranks of the PC Police. Are you angry that they do both of these things at the same time? I'm not quite sure how you're measuring this, but again, you seem to be in this same general category, thinking we should spend less money on flashy cars but also owning an old car, so you're not a RMS level refusnik when it comes to cars, you could probably be 'holier' than 80% of the US population on that topic but you're not at the absolute extreme. Are you arguing that you're like 80% of this opinion, and feel it's okay to be say 50-90% of the way along this spectrum but people that are more than 90% along really, really annoy you? More so than people at the opposite side of the 50% mark? I understand that people can be annoying, but it feels logical to separate out annoyance and correctness. But even if you don't, it feels like you are biased towards the status quo in terms of what you find annoying acts even if you yourself are mostly on the right side of the issue. Possibly humans just don't like being reminded that they can do better, as it makes them feel bad about themselves. We should probably reframe it to areas where we can most easily improve at low cost.
- noduerme 5y ago
  Your last statement, I believe, is the point of the article. > Possibly humans just don't like being reminded that they can do better Humans don't like other humans who go around acting like they're better because they're doing Y and you're doing X.