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IMO if your article is long enough that it crashes MobileSafari, it should have a table of contents. Or it should be a book chapter. It’s a really obvious criti

IMO if your article is long enough that it crashes MobileSafari, it should have a table of contents. Or it should be a book chapter. It’s a really obvious criticism of all of fasterthanlime’s posts that scarcely bears repeating at this point but they’re not getting any shorter. I get that he has a lot to say but I just don’t have time to wade through all of that. What slice of Rust users are both such noobs they haven’t heard of cargo-edit and can’t Google it, but also so advanced they are interested in implementing Future manually to deepen their understanding? It’s ok to teach both things but why together?!

fasterthanlime 5y ago
Ok I promise I'm going to stop replying to those comments (because as you pointed out they show up on every post), but! Rust is not the only language with a decent type system out there. I can definitely see some ML/Haskell/Scala/etc. folks who would quickly pick up on all the Future stuff, drawing parallels with their usual language of choice, yet being completely unaware of all the nice tooling around Rust. It's one of its main selling points for me! Re cargo-edit specifically, it also lets me stay in flow while writing these: instead of having to repeat "we'll just edit Cargo.toml, make sure to have that under [dependencies], uh this time we need a feature so the right-hand-side needs to be an object, not a string" - instead I can just copy into the article the actual commands I run on my side, and if a quick paragraph about where that subcommand comes from unblocks even one person then it's worth it.
- nindalf 5y ago
  I wouldn’t worry too much about it. You have your style, and it clearly works for the people who like your work. Everyone likes different things, and it doesn’t make sense to force homogeneity. It’s ok to cater to niches.
- WJW 5y ago
  FWIW, I fall exactly into that niche. I've never written a line of Rust in my life but am quite competent with Haskell and Ruby and have dabbled in at least half a dozen others. Seeing everyday `cargo` use made me think of bundler and the Future/Result type signatures were easy to map onto Async/Either and the like. So yes, it's a long article but I didn't mind that in the least. Keep it up!
- kelnos 5y ago
  Ignore the naysayers in this thread; I don't really get why people think it's ok nitpick how you've decided to present a particular topic that you publish to the world free of charge. It's... kinda rude, IMO. I really enjoyed reading this piece, and had never heard of cargo-edit, so thank you for that. As a Scala person, I've actually struggled with Rust's Future, because it's quite different and requires a new mental model of how things work, which I think you did a great job providing.
myrrlyn 5y ago
> What slice of Rust users are both such noobs they haven’t heard of cargo-edit and can’t Google it, but also so advanced they are interested in implementing Future manually to deepen their understanding? My colleagues. Many people are skilled programmers jumping into obscure problems with only a baseline level of familiarity with the greater environment.
- Filligree 5y ago
  Or for example me. cargo-edit looks useful. None of the tutorials I've skimmed have mentioned it.
kelnos 5y ago
> What slice of Rust users are both such noobs they haven’t heard of cargo-edit and can’t Google it, but also so advanced they are interested in implementing Future manually to deepen their understanding? raises hand I'm not sure how (or why) I'd google cargo-edit, because it's one of those things that you don't even think about until someone tells you about it, and then you're happy they did. While I certainly wouldn't call myself a Rust expert, I'm no noob either, and am intensely interested in diving deep into topics like this. (Can we also dispense with the gatekeeping put-downs like "noob", please? It's unnecessary and rude.) > It’s ok to teach both things but why together?! Because the author felt like it, and since we're consuming his work for free, we're not entitled to tell him how to write?

fasterthanlime 5y ago

Ok I promise I'm going to stop replying to those comments (because as you pointed out they show up on every post), but! Rust is not the only language with a decent type system out there. I can definitely see some ML/Haskell/Scala/etc. folks who would quickly pick up on all the Future stuff, drawing parallels with their usual language of choice, yet being completely unaware of all the nice tooling around Rust. It's one of its main selling points for me! Re cargo-edit specifically, it also lets me stay in flow while writing these: instead of having to repeat "we'll just edit Cargo.toml, make sure to have that under [dependencies], uh this time we need a feature so the right-hand-side needs to be an object, not a string" - instead I can just copy into the article the actual commands I run on my side, and if a quick paragraph about where that subcommand comes from unblocks even one person then it's worth it.

nindalf 5y ago
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. You have your style, and it clearly works for the people who like your work. Everyone likes different things, and it doesn’t make sense to force homogeneity. It’s ok to cater to niches.
WJW 5y ago
FWIW, I fall exactly into that niche. I've never written a line of Rust in my life but am quite competent with Haskell and Ruby and have dabbled in at least half a dozen others. Seeing everyday `cargo` use made me think of bundler and the Future/Result type signatures were easy to map onto Async/Either and the like. So yes, it's a long article but I didn't mind that in the least. Keep it up!
kelnos 5y ago
Ignore the naysayers in this thread; I don't really get why people think it's ok nitpick how you've decided to present a particular topic that you publish to the world free of charge. It's... kinda rude, IMO. I really enjoyed reading this piece, and had never heard of cargo-edit, so thank you for that. As a Scala person, I've actually struggled with Rust's Future, because it's quite different and requires a new mental model of how things work, which I think you did a great job providing.

myrrlyn 5y ago

> What slice of Rust users are both such noobs they haven’t heard of cargo-edit and can’t Google it, but also so advanced they are interested in implementing Future manually to deepen their understanding? My colleagues. Many people are skilled programmers jumping into obscure problems with only a baseline level of familiarity with the greater environment.

Filligree 5y ago
Or for example me. cargo-edit looks useful. None of the tutorials I've skimmed have mentioned it.

kelnos 5y ago

> What slice of Rust users are both such noobs they haven’t heard of cargo-edit and can’t Google it, but also so advanced they are interested in implementing Future manually to deepen their understanding? raises hand I'm not sure how (or why) I'd google cargo-edit, because it's one of those things that you don't even think about until someone tells you about it, and then you're happy they did. While I certainly wouldn't call myself a Rust expert, I'm no noob either, and am intensely interested in diving deep into topics like this. (Can we also dispense with the gatekeeping put-downs like "noob", please? It's unnecessary and rude.) > It’s ok to teach both things but why together?! Because the author felt like it, and since we're consuming his work for free, we're not entitled to tell him how to write?