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> And yet, the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the disease, nor does it keep you from spreading the disease. Binary yes/no statements like this are basic

> And yet, the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting the disease, nor does it keep you from spreading the disease. Binary yes/no statements like this are basically disinformation. COVID vaccines are _neither_ perfect, not useless. We know that various COVID vaccines are effective, in the range of 60-90% against getting and spreading and being very ill, which is actually very good compared to many other vaccines.

Fjolsvith 5y ago
Calling it "basically disinformation" doesn't dispute the logic that is inherent in the statement. Willfully putting healthy people at risk of severe injury or death with an experimental, untested drug is a violation of the Nuremburg Code, and everyone administering the Covid vaccines will be held to account. See this scientific study regarding the vaccines: https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccinated-persons-luxembourg/5749516 https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccina...
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Willfully putting healthy people at risk of severe injury or death with an experimental, untested drug is a violation of the Nuremburg Code ... everyone administering the Covid vaccines will be held to account. This isn't logic, this is an emotional statement. You know, propaganda. So as you can state your position clearly, are you actually threatening "everyone administering the Covid vaccines" with Nuremburg-style courts?
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Neuremburg, may have been a little dramatic but the core of their argument is correct. Giving experimental vaccines to healthy people not in the vulnerable population is a violation of their rights. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting Paris and other regions of the world seem to agree. The cable MSM isn't covering it obviously. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-against-covid-restrictions-clash-with-police-paris-bfm-television-2021-07-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-against-covi...
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      If you're arguing for prosecuting the people saving lives, then you've fallen credulously for a disinformation campaign.
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        If you're arguing for giving an experimental vaccine uneccesarily to healthy people then you've fallen for a disinformation campaign. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting in Paris right now agree with me and the number is growing.
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        Your talking point about "experimental vaccine unnecessarily to healthy people" has been extensively debunked above, if you didn't listen then you won't now. You keep repeating about the Paris demo as if it means something, it does not. We had the same kooks behaving badly in London and in Australia. I mean ranting about 5G mind control and wanting to hang nurses. Proper paranoid extremist crazies. Their numbers would not make them correct, and they are not correct; but they are just a small and loud fringe, and there is no reason to accept their delusions. I wouldn't be proud of proud of them, unless you're also proud of "patriotic spirit defending democracy" the "hang Mike Pence" crowd in Washington on 6 Jan.
        nickthemagicman 5y ago
        The fully vaccinated are actually the small fringe. Only three developed countries in the world have a full vaccination count above 50%(barely) despite wide availablity. Not a single undeveloped country does. Only 13.8% of the world is fully vaccinated. The majority don't want the vaccine. Most people are not buying into the fringe extremist crazy kook Covid cult pseudoscience where people use opinion pieces as scientific citations to back up injecting experimental kool aid into their bodies. If the experimental mRNA vaccine starts giving people adverse effects like cancer in a few years, it will be easier to make the connection with the vaccine at least since so few people have taken it. Keep in mind, this venerated scientific establishment gave Lobotomies the Nobel Prize in the 40s'. Boy what a mistake that was! Ref: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  I'm going to wait for reproduction of those results before putting any weight on that study. Especially since (a) that's what the study itself calls for and (b) trivially, I can't reproduce the results on myself (sorry, equally magnetic shoulders here).
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Oh, I totally missed that it was a "Vaccines will make you magnetic!" study, in other words: Loony tunes for credulous cretins. Looking at the front page of that site, yes, it seems a total batshit-factory, right down to the mention of 'Great Reset' and "Governments Are Lying to You the People". Banned from Wikipedia: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
    - Fjolsvith 5y ago
      And, to reply to you in this thread. It is a loony tunes experiment that ANYONE can reproduce. Even on themselves. What do you think people will wonder when they test it out and find out that magnets stick to them? AND - The thought I had today on the way to work was a what if: If the vaccinated are really becoming electromagnetic, how would they be affected by an EMP burst?
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        That'd make a hell of a fiction story, but it's completely divorced from reality. (... and, unfortunately, it's already been written. I believe "Diamond Age" makes use of the idea of nanomachines that are usually harmless but when triggered by an external signal spin into microscopic daisy-cutters and perforate the victim in a million places).
        Fjolsvith 5y ago
        I'm sure that some three letter agency has already tested the viability of such a weaponization of nanotech.
Fjolsvith 5y ago
Wow, the CDC says: "CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others." [1] Just as much viral load. Really? Effective? 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-recommend-vaccinated-wear-masks-areas-low-vaccination-rates-n1275012 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administr...
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  "Infected" in this context means symptomatically infected (i.e breakthrough infection). It's an interesting, but unsurprising result that if you have the symptoms of covid you can pass the disease on to other unvaccinated people. And since the disease still has a 14-day incubation period, we only have masking as the practical preventative when we don't know who could suffer a breakthrough infection.
- pwinnski 5y ago
  "those who do" being a much, much, much smaller percentage of people, so yes, pretty effective. More than 90% effective, in fact.

Fjolsvith 5y ago

Calling it "basically disinformation" doesn't dispute the logic that is inherent in the statement. Willfully putting healthy people at risk of severe injury or death with an experimental, untested drug is a violation of the Nuremburg Code, and everyone administering the Covid vaccines will be held to account. See this scientific study regarding the vaccines: https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccinated-persons-luxembourg/5749516 https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccina...

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> Willfully putting healthy people at risk of severe injury or death with an experimental, untested drug is a violation of the Nuremburg Code ... everyone administering the Covid vaccines will be held to account. This isn't logic, this is an emotional statement. You know, propaganda. So as you can state your position clearly, are you actually threatening "everyone administering the Covid vaccines" with Nuremburg-style courts?
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Neuremburg, may have been a little dramatic but the core of their argument is correct. Giving experimental vaccines to healthy people not in the vulnerable population is a violation of their rights. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting Paris and other regions of the world seem to agree. The cable MSM isn't covering it obviously. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-against-covid-restrictions-clash-with-police-paris-bfm-television-2021-07-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-against-covi...
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    If you're arguing for prosecuting the people saving lives, then you've fallen credulously for a disinformation campaign.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      If you're arguing for giving an experimental vaccine uneccesarily to healthy people then you've fallen for a disinformation campaign. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting in Paris right now agree with me and the number is growing.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        Your talking point about "experimental vaccine unnecessarily to healthy people" has been extensively debunked above, if you didn't listen then you won't now. You keep repeating about the Paris demo as if it means something, it does not. We had the same kooks behaving badly in London and in Australia. I mean ranting about 5G mind control and wanting to hang nurses. Proper paranoid extremist crazies. Their numbers would not make them correct, and they are not correct; but they are just a small and loud fringe, and there is no reason to accept their delusions. I wouldn't be proud of proud of them, unless you're also proud of "patriotic spirit defending democracy" the "hang Mike Pence" crowd in Washington on 6 Jan.
        nickthemagicman 5y ago
        The fully vaccinated are actually the small fringe. Only three developed countries in the world have a full vaccination count above 50%(barely) despite wide availablity. Not a single undeveloped country does. Only 13.8% of the world is fully vaccinated. The majority don't want the vaccine. Most people are not buying into the fringe extremist crazy kook Covid cult pseudoscience where people use opinion pieces as scientific citations to back up injecting experimental kool aid into their bodies. If the experimental mRNA vaccine starts giving people adverse effects like cancer in a few years, it will be easier to make the connection with the vaccine at least since so few people have taken it. Keep in mind, this venerated scientific establishment gave Lobotomies the Nobel Prize in the 40s'. Boy what a mistake that was! Ref: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
shadowgovt 5y ago
I'm going to wait for reproduction of those results before putting any weight on that study. Especially since (a) that's what the study itself calls for and (b) trivially, I can't reproduce the results on myself (sorry, equally magnetic shoulders here).
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Oh, I totally missed that it was a "Vaccines will make you magnetic!" study, in other words: Loony tunes for credulous cretins. Looking at the front page of that site, yes, it seems a total batshit-factory, right down to the mention of 'Great Reset' and "Governments Are Lying to You the People". Banned from Wikipedia: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
  - Fjolsvith 5y ago
    And, to reply to you in this thread. It is a loony tunes experiment that ANYONE can reproduce. Even on themselves. What do you think people will wonder when they test it out and find out that magnets stick to them? AND - The thought I had today on the way to work was a what if: If the vaccinated are really becoming electromagnetic, how would they be affected by an EMP burst?
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      That'd make a hell of a fiction story, but it's completely divorced from reality. (... and, unfortunately, it's already been written. I believe "Diamond Age" makes use of the idea of nanomachines that are usually harmless but when triggered by an external signal spin into microscopic daisy-cutters and perforate the victim in a million places).
      - Fjolsvith 5y ago
        I'm sure that some three letter agency has already tested the viability of such a weaponization of nanotech.

Fjolsvith 5y ago

Wow, the CDC says: "CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others." [1] Just as much viral load. Really? Effective? 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-recommend-vaccinated-wear-masks-areas-low-vaccination-rates-n1275012 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administr...

shadowgovt 5y ago
"Infected" in this context means symptomatically infected (i.e breakthrough infection). It's an interesting, but unsurprising result that if you have the symptoms of covid you can pass the disease on to other unvaccinated people. And since the disease still has a 14-day incubation period, we only have masking as the practical preventative when we don't know who could suffer a breakthrough infection.
pwinnski 5y ago
"those who do" being a much, much, much smaller percentage of people, so yes, pretty effective. More than 90% effective, in fact.