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Well, if the current events tell us we're in a crisis, were we also in a crisis a century ago? Two centuries ago? Three centuries ago? We can look in history bo

Well, if the current events tell us we're in a crisis, were we also in a crisis a century ago? Two centuries ago? Three centuries ago? We can look in history books and see the same kinds of events happening back then. If they indicate a crisis now, don't they also indicate the crisis was happening back then?

adrianN 5y ago
You're arguing that it's not a big to deal to kick asteroids onto orbits intersecting with Earth's because in the past Earth also was hit by asteroids.
ben_w 5y ago
No. Frequency of conditions intense enough to constitute ‘a disaster’ has gone up.
polotics 5y ago
How is it that green user names always are climate-drift negationists? Should they not be red instead?
- raverbashing 5y ago
  Tells you a lot of how they stand by their values
  - thirsty-coucal 5y ago
    No, it doesn't. It happens because HN shadowbans people who have the wrong opinions. dang and whoever else would say that's not true, but it's tough to debate, because the evidence is conveniently hidden by being unjustly flagged. It's tough to point to a comment and argue that every statement in it is indisputably true, relevant, and polite, when it's been hidden from everyone by some anonymous user without explanation or justification. This kind echo chamber maintenance goes on day after day, while HN delusionally prides itself on curiosity, civility, etc.
    - raverbashing 5y ago
      Well, I'm glad that the site moderation has no patience for QAnon BS and I hope they keep it this way Reality is not just "your opinion man" as several people dying with a tube down their throat are figuring out now.
      - thirsty-coucal 5y ago
        > Well, I'm glad that the site moderation has no patience for QAnon BS and I hope they keep it this way Do you find it cute to say this complete non sequitur? Is this your way of being civil, thoughtful, and curious?
    - polotics 5y ago
      I don't see banning on opinions happening on HN, but I understand that seeing the same rehashed fallacious statements over and over gets old quick. Case in point: the "this is not happening because something similar happened before", with no quantification or data or independent research or citation... is just noxious bullshit that deserves, like I wrote, to get you a red username, not green. What's your favorite color?
eyelovewe 5y ago
There is no historical precedent for the CO2 levels since well before mammalian life surged to the fore. Burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon in the span of 150 years turns out to have consequences. The carbon cycle has been known about for roughly the same time period that we’ve been in accelerated burning mode. Oil companies also extensively researched the likely impact of continued fossil fueled economic activity and the results confirmed what we know today. The oil companies decided to bury these findings and instead paid for the dissemination of rhetoric such as you are emitting here. It’s based on deceptive data and a tactic to always deny the link between human burning of fossil fuels and drastic climate change such as humans have never seen before. Here, I see your untrue statement and raise you an info graphic https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
if a kid threw a small rock at you some years ago and then slowly over the years more kids throw rocks at you, only a couple at a time, and then one day you walk out the door and there are hundreds of kids throwing rocks at you and there is a newspaper on your front porch with headline "Kids throwing rocks projected to increase 50% by tomorrow"; do you think "I guess I've had a kid throw a rock at me before, this is no different"?

adrianN 5y ago

You're arguing that it's not a big to deal to kick asteroids onto orbits intersecting with Earth's because in the past Earth also was hit by asteroids.

ben_w 5y ago

No. Frequency of conditions intense enough to constitute ‘a disaster’ has gone up.

polotics 5y ago

How is it that green user names always are climate-drift negationists? Should they not be red instead?

raverbashing 5y ago
Tells you a lot of how they stand by their values
- thirsty-coucal 5y ago
  No, it doesn't. It happens because HN shadowbans people who have the wrong opinions. dang and whoever else would say that's not true, but it's tough to debate, because the evidence is conveniently hidden by being unjustly flagged. It's tough to point to a comment and argue that every statement in it is indisputably true, relevant, and polite, when it's been hidden from everyone by some anonymous user without explanation or justification. This kind echo chamber maintenance goes on day after day, while HN delusionally prides itself on curiosity, civility, etc.
  - raverbashing 5y ago
    Well, I'm glad that the site moderation has no patience for QAnon BS and I hope they keep it this way Reality is not just "your opinion man" as several people dying with a tube down their throat are figuring out now.
    - thirsty-coucal 5y ago
      > Well, I'm glad that the site moderation has no patience for QAnon BS and I hope they keep it this way Do you find it cute to say this complete non sequitur? Is this your way of being civil, thoughtful, and curious?
  - polotics 5y ago
    I don't see banning on opinions happening on HN, but I understand that seeing the same rehashed fallacious statements over and over gets old quick. Case in point: the "this is not happening because something similar happened before", with no quantification or data or independent research or citation... is just noxious bullshit that deserves, like I wrote, to get you a red username, not green. What's your favorite color?

eyelovewe 5y ago

There is no historical precedent for the CO2 levels since well before mammalian life surged to the fore. Burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon in the span of 150 years turns out to have consequences. The carbon cycle has been known about for roughly the same time period that we’ve been in accelerated burning mode. Oil companies also extensively researched the likely impact of continued fossil fueled economic activity and the results confirmed what we know today. The oil companies decided to bury these findings and instead paid for the dissemination of rhetoric such as you are emitting here. It’s based on deceptive data and a tactic to always deny the link between human burning of fossil fuels and drastic climate change such as humans have never seen before. Here, I see your untrue statement and raise you an info graphic https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

bryanrasmussen 5y ago

if a kid threw a small rock at you some years ago and then slowly over the years more kids throw rocks at you, only a couple at a time, and then one day you walk out the door and there are hundreds of kids throwing rocks at you and there is a newspaper on your front porch with headline "Kids throwing rocks projected to increase 50% by tomorrow"; do you think "I guess I've had a kid throw a rock at me before, this is no different"?