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>There actually are exceptions, but they are regular as well - w before last syllable is often devoiced to f. Levandofski. But even most Polish speakers doesn't
by ithinkso 5y ago
>There actually are exceptions, but they are regular as well - w before last syllable is often devoiced to f. Levandofski. But even most Polish speakers doesn't know that it's the rule, they just speak that way without thinking :)
Well, true, but I don't think devoicing w in 'Levandofski' is correct, sounds a bit sloppy but hard to hear the distinction to be honest so maybe
There is though a clear devoicing not only before the last syllable but before 'sz' as in 'wszystko'(all), 'wszędzie'(everywhere). Not sure if there's a surname that that applies to.
- mkotowski 5y agoWszystko and Lewandowski both are subjected to the same principle, namely: in Polish consonant clusters, including across a word boundary, the obstruents are all voiced or all voiceless.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology#Voicing_and_devoicing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology#Voicing_and_d...
- ithinkso 5y agoYup, thanks, that's the rule. I think I should change the 99.99% in my original post to 98%
- mkotowski 5y agoI wouldn't be so strict with it to be honest — it is still a rule that is internally consistent, and as far as I know it lacks any significant exceptions.
- ajuc 5y agoI wonder if there is a rule that lets people get away with "Lewandoski" :)
- andrewl-hn 5y agoRule of thumb of consonant clusters in mos languages: break the cluster. Don't try to pronounce "VSK" directly. Instead, split it and add different parts to syllables before and after: Le-van-dov-ski. Adding "ski" after the word is much easier than dealing with three consonants in a row
- mbel 5y agoThere is, it’s called „dialekt małopolski” ;)
- ithinkso 5y agoEj, co kurwa? Jeszcze mi powiesz że wychodzi się na dwór a nie na pole ;)