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Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does

by pakyr 5y ago

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on. And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controversial) then you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

handelaar 5y ago
Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot it on anything else? Why, to put it more briefly, does Haiku insist on being treated as a serious operating system when it simultaneously clearly runs on less stuff than most other OSes and yet requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes? (This doesn't happen with ReactOS. But then they don't have the social disability of resolutely insisting that we all pay attention to them as a Very Important Thing.) [edit: I forgot the big one: after over eleven years would it kill them to at least once spit out a fucking error message? Or is the total lack of information with which a person could file a useful bug report in fact the intent?]
- ofrzeta 5y ago
  Why are you so upset? I would be if I absolutely required running something and it didn't work. Probably something I paid a lot of money for. But I wouldn't expect that from a hobbyist OS.
- pakyr 5y ago
  It's not my 'position' that there's a list of hardware; there literally is one (edit: and it's not exhaustive). I really don't see how Haiku "requires" you to take it seriously. It's clearly marked as beta. Even though I disagree with those who might call it daily driver-ready, I don't understand the source of this hostility. If you don't want to "waste your time" with it, then don't. It's beta software developed by volunteers, none of whom are forcing you to download their OS. Also, if these instructions (https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/bugreports.html#kernel https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/bugreports.html#ker...) don't help you with your bug report, then I dunno what to tell you, I guess the gods have decided you shouldn't use Haiku.
- kasumispencer2 5y ago
  > when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops i had an old laptop that runs just fine (albeit with a tiny bit of fiddling). you're free not to believe me though, it's your opinion after all. > requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes? lmfao, did they ever? shut up and get your shit together.
- papacho 5y ago
  you should give introspection a try.
- anthk 5y ago
  ReactOS support it's utter crap compared to Haiku. I could run Haiku in my Celeron pretty fast up to the point on being able to open 4K videos on Intel Mobile 4 series with some qt5 video player. As crazy as it sounds.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Get used to this reaction. Unfortunately, as much as open source software communities want their products to be taken seriously, they will invariably react this way to negative feedback. "works for me", "pick better hardware", etc.
  - shrikant 5y ago
    There are various first-level responses "reacting" to OP's "negative feedback" with (what I think are) very reasonable suggestions (try this thing, try that thing, ask on forums, etc.) This is a sub-thread to the original complaint (which was quite reasonable), where OP is taking on an oddly hostile and aggressive tone, and powerfully punching at various strawmen. I'm not sure what you think an adequate reaction would be.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      OP may be exaggerating a bit with their claim that Haiku isn't an OS, but what is important is their frustration. Haiku is billing itself as an OS that runs on PCs and parent is frustrated because it has never run on any PC they have tried it on. That's the thing to take away here. Either they should make it more explicit[0] what it does and doesn't run on, or work harder to support more hardware. Pointing out that it is clearly labeled as beta software and linking to the compatibility list are reasonable responses, but there's literally a comment telling them to 'shut up and get your shit together'. That kind of defensiveness is not useful to anyone. [0] since there appears to be a list of known good hardware, maybe it should be prominent?
      - bctnry 5y ago
        So op venting about shit is "maybe exaggerating a bit" and "important frustration" but other people venting is just "defensiveness"? Yeah sure people have to be nice to any one lmao. Ars Technica literally made a long article about how Haiku worked on a cheap-ass laptop, still no, keep on venting about social disability bullshit, and you're here complaining about other people being angry about op being this rude. Truly the moral standard everyone should follow huh.

by pakyr 5y ago

handelaar 5y ago

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot it on anything else? Why, to put it more briefly, does Haiku insist on being treated as a serious operating system when it simultaneously clearly runs on less stuff than most other OSes and yet requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes? (This doesn't happen with ReactOS. But then they don't have the social disability of resolutely insisting that we all pay attention to them as a Very Important Thing.) [edit: I forgot the big one: after over eleven years would it kill them to at least once spit out a fucking error message? Or is the total lack of information with which a person could file a useful bug report in fact the intent?]

ofrzeta 5y ago
Why are you so upset? I would be if I absolutely required running something and it didn't work. Probably something I paid a lot of money for. But I wouldn't expect that from a hobbyist OS.
pakyr 5y ago
It's not my 'position' that there's a list of hardware; there literally is one (edit: and it's not exhaustive). I really don't see how Haiku "requires" you to take it seriously. It's clearly marked as beta. Even though I disagree with those who might call it daily driver-ready, I don't understand the source of this hostility. If you don't want to "waste your time" with it, then don't. It's beta software developed by volunteers, none of whom are forcing you to download their OS. Also, if these instructions (https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/bugreports.html#kernel https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/bugreports.html#ker...) don't help you with your bug report, then I dunno what to tell you, I guess the gods have decided you shouldn't use Haiku.
kasumispencer2 5y ago
> when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops i had an old laptop that runs just fine (albeit with a tiny bit of fiddling). you're free not to believe me though, it's your opinion after all. > requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes? lmfao, did they ever? shut up and get your shit together.
papacho 5y ago
you should give introspection a try.
anthk 5y ago
ReactOS support it's utter crap compared to Haiku. I could run Haiku in my Celeron pretty fast up to the point on being able to open 4K videos on Intel Mobile 4 series with some qt5 video player. As crazy as it sounds.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Get used to this reaction. Unfortunately, as much as open source software communities want their products to be taken seriously, they will invariably react this way to negative feedback. "works for me", "pick better hardware", etc.
- shrikant 5y ago
  There are various first-level responses "reacting" to OP's "negative feedback" with (what I think are) very reasonable suggestions (try this thing, try that thing, ask on forums, etc.) This is a sub-thread to the original complaint (which was quite reasonable), where OP is taking on an oddly hostile and aggressive tone, and powerfully punching at various strawmen. I'm not sure what you think an adequate reaction would be.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    OP may be exaggerating a bit with their claim that Haiku isn't an OS, but what is important is their frustration. Haiku is billing itself as an OS that runs on PCs and parent is frustrated because it has never run on any PC they have tried it on. That's the thing to take away here. Either they should make it more explicit[0] what it does and doesn't run on, or work harder to support more hardware. Pointing out that it is clearly labeled as beta software and linking to the compatibility list are reasonable responses, but there's literally a comment telling them to 'shut up and get your shit together'. That kind of defensiveness is not useful to anyone. [0] since there appears to be a list of known good hardware, maybe it should be prominent?
    - bctnry 5y ago
      So op venting about shit is "maybe exaggerating a bit" and "important frustration" but other people venting is just "defensiveness"? Yeah sure people have to be nice to any one lmao. Ars Technica literally made a long article about how Haiku worked on a cheap-ass laptop, still no, keep on venting about social disability bullshit, and you're here complaining about other people being angry about op being this rude. Truly the moral standard everyone should follow huh.