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There are some interesting ideas in here, but I feel like the author left out a lot of the story and many other possibilities. 1. The author basically says tha
by csa 5y ago
There are some interesting ideas in here, but I feel like the author left out a lot of the story and many other possibilities.
1. The author basically says that, due to fonts, Japan focused more on “applications” computing rather than system computing up through the 80s. I mostly agree with this.
2. The author then completely leaves out the 90s and jumps to the 2001 release of the iPod. Excuse me?
3. In the late 80s and early 90s, the computing tech became robust enough to handle Japanese fonts somewhere between well enough to almost perfectly. For example, I fondly remember my Wordtank from the early 90s made by Canon that helped my Japanese studying tremendously. Note that some models had variable memory (e.g., marking something for review) and expansion slots. My Apple PowerBook from the early 90s handled Japanese almost perfectly. Japanese word processors (ワープロ) also seemed to have some basic system level functionality (I rarely used one, but many friends did).
4. The above suggests that systems were available and functional in the early 90s.
While some open systems like the Mac OS were not made in Japan, open systems existed, so why didn’t they become more widely used in Japan?
To me, that is the key question.
I think at least one other possible explanation is that Japan’s societal structure didn’t (at least at that time) really leave very much space for people to be able to make a living via these open systems [1], as such, these systems were not broadly in demand.
Another possible explanation is that the first “lost decade” (the 90s) saw very little space for innovation.
I’m sure other viable explanation are possible.
Side note — this is incorrect:
“For comparison, let’s look at a few common Japanese characters (these are ranked as the 35th, 64th, and 104th most commonly used characters, respectively):
議 選 調”
I wonder where they got this info from. Maybe they were thinking of the list of kanji that students start learning in secondary school?
[1] Note that some people actually did make a living these open systems, but they tended to be connected much more intellectually, professionally, and economically with folks outside of Japan. TWICS internet was publicly available in 1993, and that helped tremendously imho.
- eska 5y agoIt's not the order, it's the frequency when analyzing a corpus such as all newspapers.
- csa 5y ago> It's not the order, it's the frequency when analyzing a corpus such as all newspapers. It’s definitely not that either unless you have a very specialized corpus. From https://www.manythings.org/kanji/top2000kanji.html https://www.manythings.org/kanji/top2000kanji.html: 書 - 35 場 - 64 男 - 104 議 - 285 選 - 187 調 - 263
- eska 5y agoIt should be obvious that the exact result depends on the corpus and year. The one you link is apparently from 2003. 35 and 25 are in the same ballpark, so the article's point about it being a very common character stands.
- Zarel 5y agoYou misread. 35 and 285 are far from the same ballpark, and it's not really possible to explain that with any corpus. It's much more likely that the author found a list of jōyō kanji sorted some other way, and thought it was sorted by frequency.
- fstrthnscnd 5y agojisho.org doesn't provide the same numbers for these kanjis: 議 : 25 https://jisho.org/search/議%20%23kanji https://jisho.org/search/議%20%23kanji 選 : 57 https://jisho.org/search/選%20%23kanji https://jisho.org/search/選%20%23kanji 調 : 87 https://jisho.org/search/調%20%23kanji https://jisho.org/search/調%20%23kanji and for instance 書 : 169 https://jisho.org/search/書%20%23kanji https://jisho.org/search/書%20%23kanji I cannot tell how accurate these numbers are, but jisho.org is using the free dictionary built by Jim Breen of Monach University (see the about page for details). It's a well known resource in the open source world.
- baybal2 5y agoMy parents had a super rare NEC X68030 HD compact in mid-nineties. It came with files of the previous owner intact. It took them few month to figure out how to switch the input to English, and learning quite a bit of Japanese in the process. I have no doubt that "the language theory" the author has is a complete pie in the sky, trying to cue the reader to some "unique oriental deficiencies"