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This is more of an artifact of Western society's relatively new and absurdly antisocial aversion to extended family, along the complete and utter failure of mod

This is more of an artifact of Western society's relatively new and absurdly antisocial aversion to extended family, along the complete and utter failure of modern public planners, who design cities optimized for cars as opposed to walking and public transit, preventing the formation of close-knit communities.

devoutsalsa 5y ago
And when you can’t afford a house for one person, there’s little hope of letting grandma live your guesthouse.
- xvector 5y ago
  And you can chalk this down to more urban planning failure. Urban planners have so thoroughly ruined the social fabric of society with ideas they once thought "new" and "novel", and only just now have they realized the damage their choices have caused. The damage will take decades or even centuries to undo, as traditional towns and cities are replaced with walkable ones, an effort that will undoubtedly meet significant resistance as most people have dumped a sizable portion of their net worth into their vehicle.
hoseja 5y ago
If one were conspiratorially minded, they could see this as by design, so people give their loyalty to the employer and state only.
- xvector 5y ago
  I think it was just sheer incompetence. If you look at subreddits like /r/urbanplanning, the mistakes are clearly recognized and modern urban planners are desperately trying to undo their predecessors' mistakes, but the hole has been dug, and these things take time.
  - ornornor 5y ago
    Wouldn’t people on that subreddit be similar to people on HN: fringe and rather ahead of the curve (relatively speaking)? I don’t know much about urban planning but I see it in tech: the stuff discussed on HN and presented as more or less normal/best practice isn’t being done or even thought of as “best practice” outside of the HN crowd. See enterprise development and a vast number of agencies or other companies that, together, make the bulk of the software being made and sold today where basic things like unit testing or the open/closed principle are seen as a waste of time and unnecessary.

devoutsalsa 5y ago

And when you can’t afford a house for one person, there’s little hope of letting grandma live your guesthouse.

xvector 5y ago
And you can chalk this down to more urban planning failure. Urban planners have so thoroughly ruined the social fabric of society with ideas they once thought "new" and "novel", and only just now have they realized the damage their choices have caused. The damage will take decades or even centuries to undo, as traditional towns and cities are replaced with walkable ones, an effort that will undoubtedly meet significant resistance as most people have dumped a sizable portion of their net worth into their vehicle.

hoseja 5y ago

If one were conspiratorially minded, they could see this as by design, so people give their loyalty to the employer and state only.

xvector 5y ago
I think it was just sheer incompetence. If you look at subreddits like /r/urbanplanning, the mistakes are clearly recognized and modern urban planners are desperately trying to undo their predecessors' mistakes, but the hole has been dug, and these things take time.
- ornornor 5y ago
  Wouldn’t people on that subreddit be similar to people on HN: fringe and rather ahead of the curve (relatively speaking)? I don’t know much about urban planning but I see it in tech: the stuff discussed on HN and presented as more or less normal/best practice isn’t being done or even thought of as “best practice” outside of the HN crowd. See enterprise development and a vast number of agencies or other companies that, together, make the bulk of the software being made and sold today where basic things like unit testing or the open/closed principle are seen as a waste of time and unnecessary.