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Maybe this works, maybe it doesn't, but I'd think the contingent of unvaccinated people who are intentionally avoiding vaccination are going to see this story a

by nyx 5y ago

Maybe this works, maybe it doesn't, but I'd think the contingent of unvaccinated people who are intentionally avoiding vaccination are going to see this story and think, "Why would they be spending so much time and money trying to convince us to get the vaccine? Now I really think the vaccine has mercury/5G/mind control, etc."

mc32 5y ago
I agree that it’s a bad look when the influencers don’t disclose this. They should have done it like the gov does PSAs. Get the word out, evangelize, and realize that some people for their own reasons will willfully remain “pagan” and and there is little you can do to convert them.
pizza 5y ago
Heard a good take on this by Matt Christman: what, of any value, is ever given away in this country for free? Americans are so used to being forced to pay out the nose for any quality health product that the vaccine being truly effective and freely available, let alone 'pushed' in some sense, sets off alarm bells in people used to being ripped off in one way or another.
SMAAART 5y ago
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
- Fjolsvith 5y ago
  The thing that "stupid people" often wonder in this argument is this: Why are the unvaxxed being blamed for endangering society when the vaccinated spread the virus too?
  - treesprite82 5y ago
    That person would be acting as if only a binary "100% spreads virus" vs "100% doesn't spread virus" is possible/relevant. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... > A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.
    - forcry 5y ago
      What I don't get is this this "growing body of evidence" does not seem to apply when it comes to things like Ivermectin, where they don't consider anything other than some high quality RCT, and reject all observational data. But when it comes to vaccines, they are so OK to make suggestions (to put it mildly) based on observational data..
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        I don't think I've encountered vaccine suggestions based on observational data. Can you give an example?
        forcry 5y ago
        I mean, I think there are no RCTs done for supporting the following claims. 1. That vaccines will reduce transmission, even when it does not prevent infection. 2. That vaccines will reduce hospitalisations even when it does not prevent infection.
        Fjolsvith 5y ago
        Here is a scientific study on the vaccine using observational data: https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccinated-persons-luxembourg/5749516 https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccina...
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        No offence but "Vaccines will make you magnetic!" is not a scientific study, it is Loony tunes. Looking at the front page of that site, yes, it seems a total batshit-factory, right down to the mention of 'Great Reset' and "Governments Are Lying to You the People". https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
        Fjolsvith 5y ago
        It is a loony tunes experiment that ANYONE can reproduce. Even on themselves. What do you think people will wonder when they test it out and find out that magnets stick to them? AND - The thought I had today on the way to work was a what if: If the vaccinated are really becoming electromagnetic, how would they be affected by an EMP burst?

by nyx 5y ago

mc32 5y ago

I agree that it’s a bad look when the influencers don’t disclose this. They should have done it like the gov does PSAs. Get the word out, evangelize, and realize that some people for their own reasons will willfully remain “pagan” and and there is little you can do to convert them.

pizza 5y ago

Heard a good take on this by Matt Christman: what, of any value, is ever given away in this country for free? Americans are so used to being forced to pay out the nose for any quality health product that the vaccine being truly effective and freely available, let alone 'pushed' in some sense, sets off alarm bells in people used to being ripped off in one way or another.

SMAAART 5y ago

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

Fjolsvith 5y ago
The thing that "stupid people" often wonder in this argument is this: Why are the unvaxxed being blamed for endangering society when the vaccinated spread the virus too?
- treesprite82 5y ago
  That person would be acting as if only a binary "100% spreads virus" vs "100% doesn't spread virus" is possible/relevant. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... > A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.
  - forcry 5y ago
    What I don't get is this this "growing body of evidence" does not seem to apply when it comes to things like Ivermectin, where they don't consider anything other than some high quality RCT, and reject all observational data. But when it comes to vaccines, they are so OK to make suggestions (to put it mildly) based on observational data..
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      I don't think I've encountered vaccine suggestions based on observational data. Can you give an example?
      - forcry 5y ago
        I mean, I think there are no RCTs done for supporting the following claims. 1. That vaccines will reduce transmission, even when it does not prevent infection. 2. That vaccines will reduce hospitalisations even when it does not prevent infection.
      - Fjolsvith 5y ago
        Here is a scientific study on the vaccine using observational data: https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccinated-persons-luxembourg/5749516 https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-electromagnetism-vaccina...
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        No offence but "Vaccines will make you magnetic!" is not a scientific study, it is Loony tunes. Looking at the front page of that site, yes, it seems a total batshit-factory, right down to the mention of 'Great Reset' and "Governments Are Lying to You the People". https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
        Fjolsvith 5y ago
        It is a loony tunes experiment that ANYONE can reproduce. Even on themselves. What do you think people will wonder when they test it out and find out that magnets stick to them? AND - The thought I had today on the way to work was a what if: If the vaccinated are really becoming electromagnetic, how would they be affected by an EMP burst?