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Reading the articles, I've found the Pasco Sheriff ILP manual[0] in question which was obtained by Tampa Bay Times. The section specifically relating to kids is

Reading the articles, I've found the Pasco Sheriff ILP manual[0] in question which was obtained by Tampa Bay Times. The section specifically relating to kids is on Page 70. Interesting read, though I haven't had much time to ingest all the details. It appears as if the sheriffs have been creating dossiers since 2011. Is sheriffs really this well funded in Florida? Where i am from, the sheriff is essentially the court agent, transporting prisoners, seizing defaulted property, serving some process, etc If you are well informed, I am interested in learning about the analytics and tools they are using. The report mentions CompStat, Problem Oriented Policing and a methodology called SARA (scan assess respond analyze) as well as post-9/11 derived information sharing developments. They have ALPR and video feeds from some in their community as well they are using, and also mention in passing facial recognition to identify the unidentified.. uh whoever. [0] - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20412738-ilp_manual012918 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20412738-ilp_manual0...

content_sesh 5y ago
Appendix B (pg 76) contains the extremely dystopianly named Prolific Offender Calculation, which I think is the criteria applied to the letter recipients in this article
- anonydsfsfs 5y ago
  The most egregious part is: > • Half of the applicable point values are awarded for suspicions of an offense listed in 1-4. So you don't actually have to do anything to get a high score, you just need to be "suspected" of having done something.
rossdavidh 5y ago
Well, if it's been in place since 2011, we should be able to see a sizeable drop in crime in then? #murders in Pasco County, FL in 2011: 13 #murders in Pasco County, FL in 2019: 14 annual links available here: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/County-Profiles/Pasco.aspx http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/County-Profiles/Pasco.aspx Now murder's only one crime, and I haven't done any sophisticated comparison (e.g. how does this compare to population growth, national or state trends, etc.). But it's not obvious that this is a program that is paying off. If you're doing something this obnoxious, you'd better have a really big, positive payoff to point to.
- cartoonworld 5y ago
  More than that, it would have to have to be statistically significant versus crime in similar counties, cities, and the country as a whole. Some quick searches[0] show an overall crime drop in the USA since 1999, ~2010, and certainly the beginning of the reporting period. Unless this activity is nationwide, which given the usual nature of the policing policy, I reject out of hand. One consideration about the 1990s crime drop should be the Lead-crime hypothesis[1], which basically refers to the banning and reduction of lead in fuel and consumer products in the 1970's bearing fruits a couple of decades later as people begin to mature in a less toxic environment. The information I have reviewed[2] about the US and even internationally[3] is quite compelling to me. Motherjones has collected all of this information.[4] There could be a similar phenomenon (not necessarily environmental, but prop65 passed in 1986 and there is also the 1974 SDWA[5] with substantial amendments in 1986, and 1996, as well as numerous changes in the period about the 1990s) affecting the country after about ~2000 and again ~2010, but I do not know of any other information supporting this analysis. [0] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-... [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis [2] - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412012000566 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041201... [3] - https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf [4] - https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposur... [5] - http://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-safe-drinking-water-act http://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-safe-drinking-wa...

content_sesh 5y ago

Appendix B (pg 76) contains the extremely dystopianly named Prolific Offender Calculation, which I think is the criteria applied to the letter recipients in this article

anonydsfsfs 5y ago
The most egregious part is: > • Half of the applicable point values are awarded for suspicions of an offense listed in 1-4. So you don't actually have to do anything to get a high score, you just need to be "suspected" of having done something.

rossdavidh 5y ago

Well, if it's been in place since 2011, we should be able to see a sizeable drop in crime in then? #murders in Pasco County, FL in 2011: 13 #murders in Pasco County, FL in 2019: 14 annual links available here: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/County-Profiles/Pasco.aspx http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/County-Profiles/Pasco.aspx Now murder's only one crime, and I haven't done any sophisticated comparison (e.g. how does this compare to population growth, national or state trends, etc.). But it's not obvious that this is a program that is paying off. If you're doing something this obnoxious, you'd better have a really big, positive payoff to point to.

cartoonworld 5y ago
More than that, it would have to have to be statistically significant versus crime in similar counties, cities, and the country as a whole. Some quick searches[0] show an overall crime drop in the USA since 1999, ~2010, and certainly the beginning of the reporting period. Unless this activity is nationwide, which given the usual nature of the policing policy, I reject out of hand. One consideration about the 1990s crime drop should be the Lead-crime hypothesis[1], which basically refers to the banning and reduction of lead in fuel and consumer products in the 1970's bearing fruits a couple of decades later as people begin to mature in a less toxic environment. The information I have reviewed[2] about the US and even internationally[3] is quite compelling to me. Motherjones has collected all of this information.[4] There could be a similar phenomenon (not necessarily environmental, but prop65 passed in 1986 and there is also the 1974 SDWA[5] with substantial amendments in 1986, and 1996, as well as numerous changes in the period about the 1990s) affecting the country after about ~2000 and again ~2010, but I do not know of any other information supporting this analysis. [0] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-... [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis [2] - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412012000566 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041201... [3] - https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf [4] - https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposur... [5] - http://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-safe-drinking-water-act http://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-safe-drinking-wa...