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That sounds tiring and painful. Heel of your foot helps to stabilize the throttle actuation. Your hands would be hanging in the air. Also there is this - accel

That sounds tiring and painful. Heel of your foot helps to stabilize the throttle actuation. Your hands would be hanging in the air. Also there is this - accelerate accidentally while also turning. There is absolutely zero need to reinvent the car UI/UX. Don’t try to fix what’s not broken.

nitrogen 5y ago
There is absolutely zero need to reinvent the car UI/UX. Don’t try to fix what’s not broken. While nobody has yet improved significantly on the traditional control layout of gas/brake/[clutch]/wheel, I still think as a matter of principle that it's really unlikely we are at the global optimum. Thus, experimentation should always be on the table, as long as it's optional.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Even if we're not at global optimum, we've got some billions of users that are used to the current UX/UI.
derefr 5y ago
We were talking about "driving", but who said anything about cars? ;) "Giving strategic-level input to the AI that drives around the self-driving vehicle that you have final responsibility over" doesn't necessarily have much to do with "driving a car." "Being the remote operator who steps in to remote-drive a self-driving vehicle when the AI can't figure out what to do" has even less to do with "driving a car." (Presuming they don't give each remote operator a full 360° driving simulator, it's only going to be about as immersive as a video game, anyway.) IMHO, it's only natural to begin re-thinking "car" UI/UX for those cases. Especially for the future generations who will be born into an era where they may "learn to drive" and then "drive" all their lives, never using any car other than self-driving ones. It's only during this transitional era, where autonomous driver AI isn't very good and needs constant manual input — and where the majority of people who own self-driving cars have also owned "hand-driven" cars — that it would seem to be a good idea to give input to a driving AI using hand-driven car inputs.

nitrogen 5y ago

There is absolutely zero need to reinvent the car UI/UX. Don’t try to fix what’s not broken. While nobody has yet improved significantly on the traditional control layout of gas/brake/[clutch]/wheel, I still think as a matter of principle that it's really unlikely we are at the global optimum. Thus, experimentation should always be on the table, as long as it's optional.

systemvoltage 5y ago
Even if we're not at global optimum, we've got some billions of users that are used to the current UX/UI.

derefr 5y ago

We were talking about "driving", but who said anything about cars? ;) "Giving strategic-level input to the AI that drives around the self-driving vehicle that you have final responsibility over" doesn't necessarily have much to do with "driving a car." "Being the remote operator who steps in to remote-drive a self-driving vehicle when the AI can't figure out what to do" has even less to do with "driving a car." (Presuming they don't give each remote operator a full 360° driving simulator, it's only going to be about as immersive as a video game, anyway.) IMHO, it's only natural to begin re-thinking "car" UI/UX for those cases. Especially for the future generations who will be born into an era where they may "learn to drive" and then "drive" all their lives, never using any car other than self-driving ones. It's only during this transitional era, where autonomous driver AI isn't very good and needs constant manual input — and where the majority of people who own self-driving cars have also owned "hand-driven" cars — that it would seem to be a good idea to give input to a driving AI using hand-driven car inputs.