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I don't buy it. Apollo almost failed many times by administrative churn and lack of public support. Apollo was successful because of passionate engineers workin

by umvi 5y ago

I don't buy it. Apollo almost failed many times by administrative churn and lack of public support. Apollo was successful because of passionate engineers working on the problem not by public support

lmilcin 5y ago
The engineers did not pay for the project or their salaries. And certainly they weren't working for free or even under market rate.
- umvi 5y ago
  The salaried engineers worked way more hours than a 9-5 and were not paid overtime AFAIK
  - lmilcin 5y ago
    Which is almost every company I have worked for for the past 20 years. Listen, these guys were very good, dedicated engineers. But to say they did this without public support is stupid, because they were paid for from public money in the first place. The public support comes in many ways. Just because some people didn't like the idea doesn't mean there was no public support. The ultimate public support is the government, which is officials elected by... wait for it... THE PUBLIC.
    - umvi 5y ago
      > The ultimate public support is the government, which is officials elected by... wait for it... THE PUBLIC. Well if that's your definition of "public support", Apollo just barely had enough to succeed. The Lyndon B. Johnson Administration that came after JFK was actively defunding Apollo and trying to dismantle the space program. Back to my original point, society didn't "collectively decide" to make moon landings happen. JFK made a few bold claims to boost his public image against Russia and his successors tried to dismantle said space program. If it weren't for the tenacious engineers and leaders at NASA, moon landings would not have happened. In other words, if the engineers/leaders at NASA were not passionate enough, LBJ would have succeeded at dismantling Apollo.
ben_w 5y ago
Their passion helped, but it consumed 4.4% of the US federal budget at peak and might well have been cancelled if JFK hadn’t been assassinated — for basically the same reason no human has returned there since Apollo or gone to Mars at all, and for the same reason Space Station Freedom was cut back and morphed into the ISS — or if NASAs work hadn’t been deliberately spread through most states to make it a pork barrel for senators looking to boost their own state using the Federal budget. It’s basically only now that we have a new space race run by absurdly rich space-nerds that we don’t need active public support, merely that the criticism is limited to grumbling.

by umvi 5y ago

I don't buy it. Apollo almost failed many times by administrative churn and lack of public support. Apollo was successful because of passionate engineers working on the problem not by public support

lmilcin 5y ago

The engineers did not pay for the project or their salaries. And certainly they weren't working for free or even under market rate.

umvi 5y ago
The salaried engineers worked way more hours than a 9-5 and were not paid overtime AFAIK
- lmilcin 5y ago
  Which is almost every company I have worked for for the past 20 years. Listen, these guys were very good, dedicated engineers. But to say they did this without public support is stupid, because they were paid for from public money in the first place. The public support comes in many ways. Just because some people didn't like the idea doesn't mean there was no public support. The ultimate public support is the government, which is officials elected by... wait for it... THE PUBLIC.
  - umvi 5y ago
    > The ultimate public support is the government, which is officials elected by... wait for it... THE PUBLIC. Well if that's your definition of "public support", Apollo just barely had enough to succeed. The Lyndon B. Johnson Administration that came after JFK was actively defunding Apollo and trying to dismantle the space program. Back to my original point, society didn't "collectively decide" to make moon landings happen. JFK made a few bold claims to boost his public image against Russia and his successors tried to dismantle said space program. If it weren't for the tenacious engineers and leaders at NASA, moon landings would not have happened. In other words, if the engineers/leaders at NASA were not passionate enough, LBJ would have succeeded at dismantling Apollo.

ben_w 5y ago

Their passion helped, but it consumed 4.4% of the US federal budget at peak and might well have been cancelled if JFK hadn’t been assassinated — for basically the same reason no human has returned there since Apollo or gone to Mars at all, and for the same reason Space Station Freedom was cut back and morphed into the ISS — or if NASAs work hadn’t been deliberately spread through most states to make it a pork barrel for senators looking to boost their own state using the Federal budget. It’s basically only now that we have a new space race run by absurdly rich space-nerds that we don’t need active public support, merely that the criticism is limited to grumbling.