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political and class ambivalence is also a way to spin things. which the original comment itself did. this is a navel-gazing, meaningless criticism. if you disag
by 0x262d 5y ago
political and class ambivalence is also a way to spin things. which the original comment itself did. this is a navel-gazing, meaningless criticism. if you disagree substantively you should just say so.
- friedman23 5y agoClass ambivalence? Who is upper class here? Jeff Bezos? He was born to single mother out of wedlock in highschool. Or is class something you can buy your way into now?
- true_religion 5y agoYes. Social mobility is one of the hallmarks of a class system. If you can’t spend your entire life improving yourself from the circumstances of your birth then you don’t have a class system, you have a caste system.
- tmpz22 5y agoAnd yet his parents were able to slide him a cool quarter million to start Amazon without breaking a sweat.
- username90 5y agoMost people here on HN could do the same for their kids once their kids are adults.
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- objectivetruth 5y agoDing ding ding, and that is a signifier of "upper class."
- Aunche 5y agoBefore he started Amazon, Bezos had already been already an SVP at DE Shaw, so it's not like he would have any trouble finding another quarter million from investors.
- 0x262d 5y agoBezos' profits on the basis of how much work his employees do, minus how much he pays them. that's what class is. it's pretty hard to deny it exists.
- friedman23 5y agoThat's being rich not upper class. There is a difference.
- Fargren 5y agoIs there? To me the terms are interchangeable. I tried googling for it and I can't find any clear distinction. Can you tell me what is the difference?
- 0x262d 5y agono, class (in the marxist sense, everything else is meaningless cultural signifiers) is not about "upper" or "lower", it's about either getting paid for wage labor, ie being working class, or getting paid for other people's use of property you own, ie being capitalist class. this is extremely basic and is the fundamental divide under capitalism.
- friedman23 5y agoah thanks for tankiesplaining
- 0x262d 5y agodumb comment. this isn't "tankie" it's basic labor theory of value.
- woodruffw 5y ago> Or is class something you can buy your way into now? In America, class has always been something you can buy your way into. Take a trip to Newport some time, and visit the mansions of the robber barons: each is stuffed with mediocre classical and neoclassical mimicry. The purpose of these ostentatious displays was to prove to each's neighbors that they were sufficiently landed, wealthy, and worthy of their class designation. Edit: But of course note: wealth is neither necessary nor sufficient for class; it only makes it much, much more accessible.