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In a slow tight turn, I suspect most people do a hand over hand turn on the sterling wheel. Not having a complete circle will mean people have to relearn years

by Osiris 5y ago

In a slow tight turn, I suspect most people do a hand over hand turn on the sterling wheel. Not having a complete circle will mean people have to relearn years of muscle memory when a turn of the sterling wheel of more than 45° is required.

JKCalhoun 5y ago
I wonder how they'll do, having muscle-learned the yoke, to go back to a traditional car steering wheel.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  The wheel can gripped at a 360 degrees. As it rotates, it's entire surface remains grippable. The yolk can only be gripped in some locations. So there's no muscle memory needed to switch to a wheel.
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    Even so, where the rim is in relation to your hands is a function of the angle at which it is rotated. So too is the torque and displacement of the hands needed to get a given response.
dangrossman 5y ago
The car can be "self-driving" on Autopilot/FSD, spinning that half-wheel all around on its own, and you must be able to take over at a second's notice if the car gets into a situation it can't handle. You may easily grab air depending on how far the car rotates the yoke before demanding you grasp it in an emergency situation. I don't know that even re-learning muscle memory can make that safe.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  A very good point. Also, as Tesla says: "Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous." [1] How do they suppose that is going to work now that you cannot let the wheel slip through your fingers? Occasions when the vehicle is making a tight turn seem to be among those events when intervention may be needed. - Unless, of course, they don't actually expect anyone to do what they insist is necessary for safety, and this is just cynical CYA nonsense. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#active-safety-features https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#active-safety-featur...
LinAGKar 5y ago
And then let the wheel slip as the car straightens out. With this you'll end up dropping the wheel.

by Osiris 5y ago

JKCalhoun 5y ago

I wonder how they'll do, having muscle-learned the yoke, to go back to a traditional car steering wheel.

dragontamer 5y ago
The wheel can gripped at a 360 degrees. As it rotates, it's entire surface remains grippable. The yolk can only be gripped in some locations. So there's no muscle memory needed to switch to a wheel.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  Even so, where the rim is in relation to your hands is a function of the angle at which it is rotated. So too is the torque and displacement of the hands needed to get a given response.

dangrossman 5y ago

The car can be "self-driving" on Autopilot/FSD, spinning that half-wheel all around on its own, and you must be able to take over at a second's notice if the car gets into a situation it can't handle. You may easily grab air depending on how far the car rotates the yoke before demanding you grasp it in an emergency situation. I don't know that even re-learning muscle memory can make that safe.

mannykannot 5y ago
A very good point. Also, as Tesla says: "Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous." [1] How do they suppose that is going to work now that you cannot let the wheel slip through your fingers? Occasions when the vehicle is making a tight turn seem to be among those events when intervention may be needed. - Unless, of course, they don't actually expect anyone to do what they insist is necessary for safety, and this is just cynical CYA nonsense. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#active-safety-features https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#active-safety-featur...

LinAGKar 5y ago

And then let the wheel slip as the car straightens out. With this you'll end up dropping the wheel.