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Especially given that men have taken on tasks far more dangerous and difficult than doing the dishes and have always died sooner. https://www.health.harvard.ed

Especially given that men have taken on tasks far more dangerous and difficult than doing the dishes and have always died sooner. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlie...

Ekaros 5y ago
And the same is still true. Something that I hear no feminist talking about is the gap in occupational injury deaths, which is massive. We should really start working on it for more equal society.
- watwut 5y ago
  I have seen feminists to push for women to be allowed in combat roles. I have seen them also promoting less gendered toys and occupations in child stories. Meaning also more cars for girls. Meaning driving, being cop as occupation for women too. More equality here would mean exactly that - women driving and being on the streets more, women working in late money handling shifts, women in combat positions. Then there are hazards in occupations where physical force is an actual factor - construction and some farming jobs. Hazard here is mostly from overextending people. There, I dont see employers running for someone physically weaker. But then again, there is feminist push to promote technological/construction interests to girls. Tho in the latter category of jobs, unionization and regulation would do a lot for safety on itself. Then again, same can be said about driving. Driving jobs often push people toward a lot of hours and risk, whether you are tired or not. More regulation about how much you can drive would do a lot.
  - pbourke 5y ago
    > More regulation about how much you can drive would do a lot. Isn’t there already a ton of quite stringent regulation around how long you can drive? Or do you mean outside of the context of activities regulated by the FMCSA in the US?
- samatman 5y ago
  I know you're joking— but I wish you wouldn't. Encouraging women to become, say, crab fisherwomen, would just result in more humans being maimed and killed. For the same reason that female soccer players tear their ACL at shockingly higher rates than male ones.
watwut 5y ago
This is kind of complicated, because men die sooner even if they don't do dangerous tasks. And in contemporary communes, there pretty often are not all that many super dangerous tasks to do. These communes dont have soldiers going into wars nor miners spending days in dust and dark. There used to be difference in terms of men drinking and smoking much more then women, but that is equalizing too. Basically, even if men dont do anything dangerous, dont drink nor smoke more, they still tend to die sooner. And if we are talking about past, it gets complicated too due to huge amount of childbirth deaths and poverty affecting women and men differently (in some periods, prostitution being only realistic employment for single women basically which comes with its own risks). Meaning, it was not always the idylic family situation people tend to imagine when making these comparisons.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  My source is https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlie... What is yours?
  - watwut 5y ago
    The article you sent literally confirms what I said. It lists multiple reasons, more dangerous jobs being only one. The rest are mix of lifestyle and genetics. As for smoking and alcohol, those statistics are easy to find too. Both contemporary and past ones. Also, article starts with premise that author expects to live shorter then his wife - but he has extraordinary safe job.
    - birdyrooster 5y ago
      The smoking and alcohol are copes for stress that they wouldn’t have without the added risk to their health and emotional well being.
- chmod600 5y ago
  "nor miners spending days in dust and dark" Then how do they get metal?

Ekaros 5y ago

And the same is still true. Something that I hear no feminist talking about is the gap in occupational injury deaths, which is massive. We should really start working on it for more equal society.

watwut 5y ago
I have seen feminists to push for women to be allowed in combat roles. I have seen them also promoting less gendered toys and occupations in child stories. Meaning also more cars for girls. Meaning driving, being cop as occupation for women too. More equality here would mean exactly that - women driving and being on the streets more, women working in late money handling shifts, women in combat positions. Then there are hazards in occupations where physical force is an actual factor - construction and some farming jobs. Hazard here is mostly from overextending people. There, I dont see employers running for someone physically weaker. But then again, there is feminist push to promote technological/construction interests to girls. Tho in the latter category of jobs, unionization and regulation would do a lot for safety on itself. Then again, same can be said about driving. Driving jobs often push people toward a lot of hours and risk, whether you are tired or not. More regulation about how much you can drive would do a lot.
- pbourke 5y ago
  > More regulation about how much you can drive would do a lot. Isn’t there already a ton of quite stringent regulation around how long you can drive? Or do you mean outside of the context of activities regulated by the FMCSA in the US?
samatman 5y ago
I know you're joking— but I wish you wouldn't. Encouraging women to become, say, crab fisherwomen, would just result in more humans being maimed and killed. For the same reason that female soccer players tear their ACL at shockingly higher rates than male ones.

watwut 5y ago

This is kind of complicated, because men die sooner even if they don't do dangerous tasks. And in contemporary communes, there pretty often are not all that many super dangerous tasks to do. These communes dont have soldiers going into wars nor miners spending days in dust and dark. There used to be difference in terms of men drinking and smoking much more then women, but that is equalizing too. Basically, even if men dont do anything dangerous, dont drink nor smoke more, they still tend to die sooner. And if we are talking about past, it gets complicated too due to huge amount of childbirth deaths and poverty affecting women and men differently (in some periods, prostitution being only realistic employment for single women basically which comes with its own risks). Meaning, it was not always the idylic family situation people tend to imagine when making these comparisons.

birdyrooster 5y ago
My source is https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlie... What is yours?
- watwut 5y ago
  The article you sent literally confirms what I said. It lists multiple reasons, more dangerous jobs being only one. The rest are mix of lifestyle and genetics. As for smoking and alcohol, those statistics are easy to find too. Both contemporary and past ones. Also, article starts with premise that author expects to live shorter then his wife - but he has extraordinary safe job.
  - birdyrooster 5y ago
    The smoking and alcohol are copes for stress that they wouldn’t have without the added risk to their health and emotional well being.
chmod600 5y ago
"nor miners spending days in dust and dark" Then how do they get metal?