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How would you recommend exploring truths that may end up being too politically charged to explore except through fiction? For some time the only way LGBTQ+ and

How would you recommend exploring truths that may end up being too politically charged to explore except through fiction? For some time the only way LGBTQ+ and race relations explorations could only occur through fiction. (Arguably, exploring the trans experience can often be limited to exploration through fiction.)

eru 5y ago
Perhaps look farther afield? Eg race relations were pretty bad in the US, but in the UK, culturally still pretty accessible, a black person could always use money to buy status.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  I still think in the UK there was limited appetite for nonfiction accounts of racism of UK people. (There may still be limited appetite for effusively positive nonfiction about Travelers, or general nonfiction about the Troubles that may be taking “a side”.)
  - dTal 5y ago
    >effusively positive nonfiction "Effusively positive" sounds like it would be deliberately distorting reality in order to present a point. I'm sure there's plenty of appetite for accurate documentaries about Travelers.
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      > "Effusively positive" sounds like it would be deliberately distorting reality in order to present a point. I'm sure there's plenty of appetite for accurate documentaries about Travelers. One of the Assassin‘s Creed games has an exploration mode, and if you walk by one of the outdoor “classrooms” the narrator will explain that while they show boys and girls learning together, the reality was that only boys were present in the schools, and that the creators here specifically chose to show the way it “should have been“. They spent some unknown amount of money on this major feature that toured all around their map, tons of real photos and documentary about how they captured the feel, interviews with historians… centering on historically accurate, but when it came to controlling their own wokeness for a second, they had to present the “effusively positive“. I don’t care what they do, but it was an admission that they didn’t really care about nonfiction, and made me untrustful of the remaining content.
      - eru 5y ago
        I don't know, seems like a reasonable compromise to explain what changes they made?
AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
> LGBTQ+ and race relations explorations Every time I watch a fictional movie about some social issue I ask myself: I've just watched an imaginary story that never happened played by actors who actually never experienced it. Now what?
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  Consider that maybe the social issue has lived experiences that couldn’t be safely explored in nonfiction, or maybe the importance such as being validated that your personal experience isn’t a delusion wasn’t for you. Additionally chances are that with the way progressive pushes are going (blackface/yellowface/white actors playing nonwhite characters is swiftly going out of style) the actors may actually experience the themes being explored. I’m pretty sure black people playing black people in movies about black race relations may have personal experiences with such!
  - AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
    > (blackface/yellowface/white actors playing nonwhite characters is swiftly going out of style) We now only have to make sure the chess players are impersonated by real FIDE masters and Queen Elizabeth by someone who has at least 1/8th royal blood.

eru 5y ago

Perhaps look farther afield? Eg race relations were pretty bad in the US, but in the UK, culturally still pretty accessible, a black person could always use money to buy status.

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
I still think in the UK there was limited appetite for nonfiction accounts of racism of UK people. (There may still be limited appetite for effusively positive nonfiction about Travelers, or general nonfiction about the Troubles that may be taking “a side”.)
- dTal 5y ago
  >effusively positive nonfiction "Effusively positive" sounds like it would be deliberately distorting reality in order to present a point. I'm sure there's plenty of appetite for accurate documentaries about Travelers.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    > "Effusively positive" sounds like it would be deliberately distorting reality in order to present a point. I'm sure there's plenty of appetite for accurate documentaries about Travelers. One of the Assassin‘s Creed games has an exploration mode, and if you walk by one of the outdoor “classrooms” the narrator will explain that while they show boys and girls learning together, the reality was that only boys were present in the schools, and that the creators here specifically chose to show the way it “should have been“. They spent some unknown amount of money on this major feature that toured all around their map, tons of real photos and documentary about how they captured the feel, interviews with historians… centering on historically accurate, but when it came to controlling their own wokeness for a second, they had to present the “effusively positive“. I don’t care what they do, but it was an admission that they didn’t really care about nonfiction, and made me untrustful of the remaining content.
    - eru 5y ago
      I don't know, seems like a reasonable compromise to explain what changes they made?

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago

> LGBTQ+ and race relations explorations Every time I watch a fictional movie about some social issue I ask myself: I've just watched an imaginary story that never happened played by actors who actually never experienced it. Now what?

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
Consider that maybe the social issue has lived experiences that couldn’t be safely explored in nonfiction, or maybe the importance such as being validated that your personal experience isn’t a delusion wasn’t for you. Additionally chances are that with the way progressive pushes are going (blackface/yellowface/white actors playing nonwhite characters is swiftly going out of style) the actors may actually experience the themes being explored. I’m pretty sure black people playing black people in movies about black race relations may have personal experiences with such!
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  > (blackface/yellowface/white actors playing nonwhite characters is swiftly going out of style) We now only have to make sure the chess players are impersonated by real FIDE masters and Queen Elizabeth by someone who has at least 1/8th royal blood.