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>The common Linux interfaces are very easy to decipher and have a good usability. CLI? Absolutely. Desktop interfaces are an inconsistent mess.

by gsich 5y ago

fragileone 5y ago
Most Linux users use GNOME or KDE, which are easy to use and far more customisable than Win10. If you want to branch out to less popular DEs then of course you should be prepared for it being less polished, but does any Linux newbie really expect dozens of super polished DEs?
- gsich 5y ago
  If this is polished [1] then it's a sorry state. This was taken a few years ago, programs were iirc Eclipse, Libreoffice and an editor. I don't care if it's the DEs fault, Qt, GTK ... the same programs have consistency if run on Windows. I don't care what order (or naming), as long as it's consistent. (ie Save, Close without, Cancel) This is muscle memory. No shortcuts are not an alternative, merely a workaround. The underlying issue would still be there. Unfortunately Android has taken over this inconsistency, probably because there is nobody that enforces it. "Mark as read" and "Reply" in the notifications are sometimes left/right, sometimes reversed. Yes/no questions are sometimes left, sometimes right. Snooze vs. alarm cancel too. What a disaster. [1] https://i.imgur.com/wv3yFbZ.png https://i.imgur.com/wv3yFbZ.png
deltaonefour 5y ago
The CLI I would argue sucks. Compared with powershell? Powershell is better designed. But that's besides the point. CLIs in itself are harder to use than GUI and the entire FOSS ecosystem biases itself towards CLI. So that in itself is a marker for inferior usability. With training a CLI can be made superior in many aspects to a GUI. But it takes training and mostly only people in IT are willing to go through this training. Overall from a common users' standpoint, GUIs are superior.
- majkinetor 5y ago
  We can have both tho. What stops you to use funky GUI to tidy up things then have 'export to powershell' command ?
  - deltaonefour 5y ago
    Yeah but overall in windows or OSX you can use the entire OS without touching the command line. Not so for linux. Most linux users are using both a GUI and a shell window under the GUI. That's the point.

>The common Linux interfaces are very easy to decipher and have a good usability. CLI? Absolutely. Desktop interfaces are an inconsistent mess.

by gsich 5y ago

>The common Linux interfaces are very easy to decipher and have a good usability. CLI? Absolutely. Desktop interfaces are an inconsistent mess.

fragileone 5y ago

Most Linux users use GNOME or KDE, which are easy to use and far more customisable than Win10. If you want to branch out to less popular DEs then of course you should be prepared for it being less polished, but does any Linux newbie really expect dozens of super polished DEs?

gsich 5y ago
If this is polished [1] then it's a sorry state. This was taken a few years ago, programs were iirc Eclipse, Libreoffice and an editor. I don't care if it's the DEs fault, Qt, GTK ... the same programs have consistency if run on Windows. I don't care what order (or naming), as long as it's consistent. (ie Save, Close without, Cancel) This is muscle memory. No shortcuts are not an alternative, merely a workaround. The underlying issue would still be there. Unfortunately Android has taken over this inconsistency, probably because there is nobody that enforces it. "Mark as read" and "Reply" in the notifications are sometimes left/right, sometimes reversed. Yes/no questions are sometimes left, sometimes right. Snooze vs. alarm cancel too. What a disaster. [1] https://i.imgur.com/wv3yFbZ.png https://i.imgur.com/wv3yFbZ.png

deltaonefour 5y ago

The CLI I would argue sucks. Compared with powershell? Powershell is better designed. But that's besides the point. CLIs in itself are harder to use than GUI and the entire FOSS ecosystem biases itself towards CLI. So that in itself is a marker for inferior usability. With training a CLI can be made superior in many aspects to a GUI. But it takes training and mostly only people in IT are willing to go through this training. Overall from a common users' standpoint, GUIs are superior.

majkinetor 5y ago
We can have both tho. What stops you to use funky GUI to tidy up things then have 'export to powershell' command ?
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  Yeah but overall in windows or OSX you can use the entire OS without touching the command line. Not so for linux. Most linux users are using both a GUI and a shell window under the GUI. That's the point.