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The literal motor part is different, but much of the rest of the car hasn't changed that much. Breaks, alignment, interior components, doors, glass; paint and

The literal motor part is different, but much of the rest of the car hasn't changed that much. Breaks, alignment, interior components, doors, glass; paint and body too. Edit: post archive.is link in thread. The article is focused more on the design specialists involved with ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) motors and related parts. They probably do need retraining, and it would be a better service to all in the economy if such training were part of a government lead plan for all workers in need of a new field, though still paid for by industries that are in sunset.

bin_bash 5y ago
Yep, my Tesla is in the shop far more often than my Euro/Japan/US cars have ever been. Last month the entire passenger seat had to be replaced due to an SRS warning. Perhaps Tesla's poor build quality can keep these folks employed?
- numpad0 5y ago
  That’s like telling kernel developers to go back to tech support jobs. Most of those losing jobs are not assembly workers.
  - 8note 5y ago
    I think it's more akin to telling COBOL programmers that everyone has migrated and that their skills aren't needed anymore
  - bin_bash 5y ago
    You're right, I hadn't considered that. It takes a lot more skill to build a transmission than a car seat.
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frosted-flakes 5y ago
From the article: > Engine and transmission plants accounted for about 44% of all automotive factories globally in 2018, according to data from research firm IHS Markit. A Morgan Stanley report in 2019 estimated that a full transition to electric vehicles could lead to three million lost automotive jobs and cost auto makers tens of billions of dollars in restructuring costs.
- mjevans 5y ago
  Those numbers are only extremely weakly correlated to specific jobs and specializations for those jobs. As a non-expert in this field it also does nothing to inform me of how readily those workers might transition to roughly equivalent jobs and how many are in need of a greater skills assessment and adaption of experiential knowledge to a proper field.
petermcneeley 5y ago
Nit: Breaks do change because of regenerative breaking.
- bin_bash 5y ago
  Nit: Brakes (you both made this mistake)
  - chillwaves 5y ago
    Sometimes I also misspell words out of a misguided sense of solidarity. It's like having a conversation and someone keeps mispronouncing a word. Do you just imitate what they are saying and avoid correcting them or do you tell them they are wrong?
    - petermcneeley 5y ago
      Your right. Sometimes its nice to give people a brake.
      - discordance 5y ago
        That’s your view and you’re very kind.
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- boatmansloth 5y ago
  Nobody in this thread can spell brakes it seems. The regenerative braking is done in the electric motor, not the calliper/disc. Nothing has changed there.
  - petermcneeley 5y ago
    When you push the 'brakes' on the an electric (or even hybrid) you simply engage the electric motor. There is a limit to how strong this form of braking can be so in certain cases you will need emergency brakes (disks or otherwise). So the brakes on an electric vehicle would be very different. I would guess in the future they wont even exist. It will just be the motors. Motors to wheels so no drive train either.
adrianN 5y ago
The motor and gearbox probably keep dozens of completely different companies busy though. There are lots of different bits and bobs in there that are manufactured by very specialized companies. Many of those jobs will go away in the next ten to twenty years.
sliken 5y ago
Seems like much more than just the motor. Tesla's have no gas tank, fuel pump, turbo, engine, transmission, catalytic converter, or exhaust. Even differentials are decreasing in number. Tesla is pushing for other simplifications as well. Things like touch screens instead of a complex dashboard. Air vectoring instead of a bunch of valves/grills for airflow. Even door handles seem to be on the way out.
- xiphias2 5y ago
  There's lots of work and innovation to do on those simplifications. It's just a 58 year old person is not able to be as innovative as he was at 30 because of health reasons, and getting tired of hard working. I'm 40, far over my peak because of a chronic illness, but at least I invested my money well enough to live off of it.

bin_bash 5y ago

Yep, my Tesla is in the shop far more often than my Euro/Japan/US cars have ever been. Last month the entire passenger seat had to be replaced due to an SRS warning. Perhaps Tesla's poor build quality can keep these folks employed?

numpad0 5y ago
That’s like telling kernel developers to go back to tech support jobs. Most of those losing jobs are not assembly workers.
- 8note 5y ago
  I think it's more akin to telling COBOL programmers that everyone has migrated and that their skills aren't needed anymore
- bin_bash 5y ago
  You're right, I hadn't considered that. It takes a lot more skill to build a transmission than a car seat.
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frosted-flakes 5y ago

From the article: > Engine and transmission plants accounted for about 44% of all automotive factories globally in 2018, according to data from research firm IHS Markit. A Morgan Stanley report in 2019 estimated that a full transition to electric vehicles could lead to three million lost automotive jobs and cost auto makers tens of billions of dollars in restructuring costs.

mjevans 5y ago
Those numbers are only extremely weakly correlated to specific jobs and specializations for those jobs. As a non-expert in this field it also does nothing to inform me of how readily those workers might transition to roughly equivalent jobs and how many are in need of a greater skills assessment and adaption of experiential knowledge to a proper field.

petermcneeley 5y ago

Nit: Breaks do change because of regenerative breaking.

bin_bash 5y ago
Nit: Brakes (you both made this mistake)
- chillwaves 5y ago
  Sometimes I also misspell words out of a misguided sense of solidarity. It's like having a conversation and someone keeps mispronouncing a word. Do you just imitate what they are saying and avoid correcting them or do you tell them they are wrong?
  - petermcneeley 5y ago
    Your right. Sometimes its nice to give people a brake.
    - discordance 5y ago
      That’s your view and you’re very kind.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
boatmansloth 5y ago
Nobody in this thread can spell brakes it seems. The regenerative braking is done in the electric motor, not the calliper/disc. Nothing has changed there.
- petermcneeley 5y ago
  When you push the 'brakes' on the an electric (or even hybrid) you simply engage the electric motor. There is a limit to how strong this form of braking can be so in certain cases you will need emergency brakes (disks or otherwise). So the brakes on an electric vehicle would be very different. I would guess in the future they wont even exist. It will just be the motors. Motors to wheels so no drive train either.

adrianN 5y ago

The motor and gearbox probably keep dozens of completely different companies busy though. There are lots of different bits and bobs in there that are manufactured by very specialized companies. Many of those jobs will go away in the next ten to twenty years.

sliken 5y ago

Seems like much more than just the motor. Tesla's have no gas tank, fuel pump, turbo, engine, transmission, catalytic converter, or exhaust. Even differentials are decreasing in number. Tesla is pushing for other simplifications as well. Things like touch screens instead of a complex dashboard. Air vectoring instead of a bunch of valves/grills for airflow. Even door handles seem to be on the way out.

xiphias2 5y ago
There's lots of work and innovation to do on those simplifications. It's just a 58 year old person is not able to be as innovative as he was at 30 because of health reasons, and getting tired of hard working. I'm 40, far over my peak because of a chronic illness, but at least I invested my money well enough to live off of it.