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The dollars are relevant, but the widespread fraud is the more important aspect.

by tbihl 5y ago

Lammy 5y ago
> the widespread fraud is the more important aspect Agreed! In the five years preceding 2020 the US averaged ~2million people claiming unemployment (high of ~2.4, low of ~1.7): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCSA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCSA Amazon's employee headcount alone could make up half of that figure, at ~1.3 million in 2020: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/number... Add a few more big corporations and I agree we have a very widespread problem: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/number-... https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/num... https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/num... They told me the wealth will trickle down, so why are we looking at the people already on the bottom to get the money flowing when there's a clog? I guess we're on the Golden Standard after all.
- kortilla 5y ago
  The number of employees has what to do with people defrauding unemployment insurance? You do know that the discussion is about people who are abusing unemployment, not unemployed people, right?
  - Lammy 5y ago
    > You do know that the discussion is about people who are abusing unemployment, not unemployed people, right? The effect of combating so-called "abuse" can only make it harder for everyone who legitimately needs unemployment. These people are already time-poor in many other ways (e.g. riding a bus vs owning a car), and every additional hoop you make them jump through means a certain percentage will just give up and suffer. You understand this, right?
    - kortilla 5y ago
      > The effect of combating so-called "abuse" We’re talking about people who are stealing money meant for unemployed people and you can’t even bring yourself to admitting that is even a problem. If you’re going to scare quote “abuse”, why don’t you steal from unemployment as well since you don’t seem to think there is anything wrong with it? > percentage will just give up and suffer. This is already happening with the existing paperwork. What are you doing to advocate that people don’t even need to pick up the phone or get out of bed to get their unemployment? > You understand this, right? You understand that rampant fraud can cause the collapse of the entire setup right?

The dollars are relevant, but the widespread fraud is the more important aspect.

by tbihl 5y ago

The dollars are relevant, but the widespread fraud is the more important aspect.

> the widespread fraud is the more important aspect Agreed! In the five years preceding 2020 the US averaged ~2million people claiming unemployment (high of ~2.4, low of ~1.7): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCSA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCSA Amazon's employee headcount alone could make up half of that figure, at ~1.3 million in 2020: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/number... Add a few more big corporations and I agree we have a very widespread problem: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/number-... https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/num... https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/num... They told me the wealth will trickle down, so why are we looking at the people already on the bottom to get the money flowing when there's a clog? I guess we're on the Golden Standard after all.

kortilla 5y ago
The number of employees has what to do with people defrauding unemployment insurance? You do know that the discussion is about people who are abusing unemployment, not unemployed people, right?
- Lammy 5y ago
  > You do know that the discussion is about people who are abusing unemployment, not unemployed people, right? The effect of combating so-called "abuse" can only make it harder for everyone who legitimately needs unemployment. These people are already time-poor in many other ways (e.g. riding a bus vs owning a car), and every additional hoop you make them jump through means a certain percentage will just give up and suffer. You understand this, right?
  - kortilla 5y ago
    > The effect of combating so-called "abuse" We’re talking about people who are stealing money meant for unemployed people and you can’t even bring yourself to admitting that is even a problem. If you’re going to scare quote “abuse”, why don’t you steal from unemployment as well since you don’t seem to think there is anything wrong with it? > percentage will just give up and suffer. This is already happening with the existing paperwork. What are you doing to advocate that people don’t even need to pick up the phone or get out of bed to get their unemployment? > You understand this, right? You understand that rampant fraud can cause the collapse of the entire setup right?