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Sounds plausible. More educated people have less time for children, and they don't need children so much to take care of them later in life. But what this reall

Sounds plausible. More educated people have less time for children, and they don't need children so much to take care of them later in life. But what this really sounds to me is that Chinese government is afraid of people getting smart and saying screw this totalitarianism.

sudosysgen 5y ago
I assure you, these kinds of schools where you repeat over and over the same math problems are not going to give you the perspective needed to consider a change of worldview which will make you reconsider your societal structure. They only grind you down and make you tired.
akfanta 5y ago
> Chinese government is afraid of people getting smart and saying screw this totalitarianism You people can really spin anything China related to a conspiracy. The Cold War propaganda machine has worked really well. Get a grip.
nobody0 5y ago
Educated != spend all your money and time on some math riddles (not even that useful for further higher math studies)
AussieWog93 5y ago
Cramming exam questions for 3 hours a night will not raise your standard of education, nor will it lead you to question authority. I think the other posters are right; it's an added expense for parents and a zero sum game. It's in nobody's interest to allow this to continue.
- galaxyLogic 5y ago
  How is it a zero-sum game? When one person learns more it does not mean others will learn less. The opposite is true, the person who learns can then teach others. The government should be able to provide enough education to anyone who needs it. But to do that they need many teachers. Somebody must educate the teachers. More learning overall grows the intellectual capacity of the whole nation, it is not a zero-sum game. I seriously think this is about Chinese Government not wanting its population to be educated in Western values.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You're not actually learning anything there. I assure you, repeating the same problem with a slight variation for the 372nd time isn't doing anything to your ability to actual solve problems, it's just helping you get a higher score on the standardized test. Which is a zero sum game.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    Cram school is equivalent to memorizing every previous sat question ever that just a huge expense and time sink. Eliminating them will help propel China ahead while the USA falls further behind because kids and parents have to waste considerable effort cramming
    - galaxyLogic 5y ago
      I would then think the problem is not with the "cram-schools" but with the universities who accept students based on rote-learning. The solution then would not be to forbid the cram-schools, but the universities which apply that kinds of bad acceptance criteria. No?
  - analog31 5y ago
    From what I gather, it's cramming, not learning, and at the expense of the learning that can happen fortuitously. As a kid, I learned music, electronics, and programming outside of school, and developed an interest in the creative side of math. I did no test prep yet still got into a good college.
  - atomicity 5y ago
    Do you mean that Chinese education must involve Western values? For example, is logical reasoning a Western value, and the Chinese government cannot exist if their citizens think logically? Maybe freedom is something that is universally desired by all humans, and the Chinese don't know that. I'd actually guess that a ban on for-profit tutoring is a larger risk for the CCP. Students spending their time unsupervised could lead to more "unwanted though" than students spending their time memorizing and reasoning around well-vetted facts about how governments work or about the history of Confucianism.
forkLding 5y ago
The classes getting shut down are equivalent to SAT prep schools, they make billions of dollars of money by fearmongering parents into purchasing more classes because their peers are buying more classes and thus their kids will be left behind in the university application race because their kids don't get as much practice as other kids. Kids in China are then forced to these cram schools after school for 4-5 hours and it becomes a neverending vicious cycle. Most importantly the kids targeted are junior to middle schoolers so it becomes ridiculous after a while piling on the work.

sudosysgen 5y ago

I assure you, these kinds of schools where you repeat over and over the same math problems are not going to give you the perspective needed to consider a change of worldview which will make you reconsider your societal structure. They only grind you down and make you tired.

akfanta 5y ago

> Chinese government is afraid of people getting smart and saying screw this totalitarianism You people can really spin anything China related to a conspiracy. The Cold War propaganda machine has worked really well. Get a grip.

nobody0 5y ago

Educated != spend all your money and time on some math riddles (not even that useful for further higher math studies)

AussieWog93 5y ago

Cramming exam questions for 3 hours a night will not raise your standard of education, nor will it lead you to question authority. I think the other posters are right; it's an added expense for parents and a zero sum game. It's in nobody's interest to allow this to continue.

galaxyLogic 5y ago
How is it a zero-sum game? When one person learns more it does not mean others will learn less. The opposite is true, the person who learns can then teach others. The government should be able to provide enough education to anyone who needs it. But to do that they need many teachers. Somebody must educate the teachers. More learning overall grows the intellectual capacity of the whole nation, it is not a zero-sum game. I seriously think this is about Chinese Government not wanting its population to be educated in Western values.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  You're not actually learning anything there. I assure you, repeating the same problem with a slight variation for the 372nd time isn't doing anything to your ability to actual solve problems, it's just helping you get a higher score on the standardized test. Which is a zero sum game.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  Cram school is equivalent to memorizing every previous sat question ever that just a huge expense and time sink. Eliminating them will help propel China ahead while the USA falls further behind because kids and parents have to waste considerable effort cramming
  - galaxyLogic 5y ago
    I would then think the problem is not with the "cram-schools" but with the universities who accept students based on rote-learning. The solution then would not be to forbid the cram-schools, but the universities which apply that kinds of bad acceptance criteria. No?
- analog31 5y ago
  From what I gather, it's cramming, not learning, and at the expense of the learning that can happen fortuitously. As a kid, I learned music, electronics, and programming outside of school, and developed an interest in the creative side of math. I did no test prep yet still got into a good college.
- atomicity 5y ago
  Do you mean that Chinese education must involve Western values? For example, is logical reasoning a Western value, and the Chinese government cannot exist if their citizens think logically? Maybe freedom is something that is universally desired by all humans, and the Chinese don't know that. I'd actually guess that a ban on for-profit tutoring is a larger risk for the CCP. Students spending their time unsupervised could lead to more "unwanted though" than students spending their time memorizing and reasoning around well-vetted facts about how governments work or about the history of Confucianism.

forkLding 5y ago

The classes getting shut down are equivalent to SAT prep schools, they make billions of dollars of money by fearmongering parents into purchasing more classes because their peers are buying more classes and thus their kids will be left behind in the university application race because their kids don't get as much practice as other kids. Kids in China are then forced to these cram schools after school for 4-5 hours and it becomes a neverending vicious cycle. Most importantly the kids targeted are junior to middle schoolers so it becomes ridiculous after a while piling on the work.