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Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases. Now it is a bit too late to think

Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases. Now it is a bit too late to think about getting rid of it completely but the pandemic will not be over until people realize you can't lift restrictions until it is really over and that everybody needs to get vaccinated. Unfortunately, viruses are not politically motivated and are not swayed by fake news. Rather than bitchin at liberals or conservatives, better read up on what people who really know something about viruses say. > overselling vaccines Oh my... it is not overselling. It is dealing with people like children they are. People reverted to the point where you can't have merit-based discussion about vaccines in public, and so simplifying the message is IMO the right strategy. The point is, vaccines work and the more people vaccinate the less will die and all other finer points are less important.

datad 5y ago
“ Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases.” No, Chinese government stalled, suppressed doctors and scientists who were screaming out about the virus months, literally, before anybody outside the Chinese government was aware. That’s a matter of record and easily verified.
- lmilcin 5y ago
  Chinese government did what Chinese government usually does. Then the rest of the world decided to wait for couple of months to react even with full knowledge of seriousness of the situation. "Let's wait before putting any restrictions on the population until we have enough cases." Restrictions were probably unavoidable, but most of deaths could have been avoided by quick reaction.
murgindrag 5y ago
> Oh my... it is not overselling. It is dealing with people like children they are. People reverted to the point where you can't have merit-based discussion about vaccines in public, and so simplifying the message is IMO the right strategy. > > The point is, vaccines work and the more people vaccinate the less will die and all other finer points are less important. Repeating a point over and over, based on falsehoods, hasn't worked out very well either here or in global warming. At some point, people notice you're lying. The conclusion might be correct, but if you get caught lying along the way, you undermine your case. People didn't "revert." Years of this kind of oversimplification and "dealing with people like children they are" led to this ignorance. And in a rapidly-evolving situation like COVID19, this ignorance sometimes ends up biting you just months later. In my community, vaccine efficacy is well below 70%. People don't believe that since we've had months of messaging. Yes, I do think we would have higher vaccination rates if we stopped patronizing people, and started educating them. No time like the present to start.

datad 5y ago

“ Getting rid of COVID became impossible the moment governments decided to wait with restrictions until there is enough cases.” No, Chinese government stalled, suppressed doctors and scientists who were screaming out about the virus months, literally, before anybody outside the Chinese government was aware. That’s a matter of record and easily verified.

lmilcin 5y ago
Chinese government did what Chinese government usually does. Then the rest of the world decided to wait for couple of months to react even with full knowledge of seriousness of the situation. "Let's wait before putting any restrictions on the population until we have enough cases." Restrictions were probably unavoidable, but most of deaths could have been avoided by quick reaction.

murgindrag 5y ago

> Oh my... it is not overselling. It is dealing with people like children they are. People reverted to the point where you can't have merit-based discussion about vaccines in public, and so simplifying the message is IMO the right strategy. > > The point is, vaccines work and the more people vaccinate the less will die and all other finer points are less important. Repeating a point over and over, based on falsehoods, hasn't worked out very well either here or in global warming. At some point, people notice you're lying. The conclusion might be correct, but if you get caught lying along the way, you undermine your case. People didn't "revert." Years of this kind of oversimplification and "dealing with people like children they are" led to this ignorance. And in a rapidly-evolving situation like COVID19, this ignorance sometimes ends up biting you just months later. In my community, vaccine efficacy is well below 70%. People don't believe that since we've had months of messaging. Yes, I do think we would have higher vaccination rates if we stopped patronizing people, and started educating them. No time like the present to start.