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>I’m really starting to wonder about the collective value of skilled factory jobs and how that isn’t factored in to value calculations in typical USA business l

>I’m really starting to wonder about the collective value of skilled factory jobs and how that isn’t factored in to value calculations in typical USA business logic. Because typical businesses are making decisions for themselves, and not their whole industry or economy? Colluding with other businesses to try to achieve a collective goal might well even be illegal.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
Right, but there's no natural law that says we need to structure business or our economy this way. We can form collectives that make decisions based on what the whole group thinks is best. We can federate collectives or make all manner of different arrangements. You have to understand, people are freezing to death after sleeping raw because they have no shelter. People are dying because they can't afford medical bills. It's worth asking ourselves if we're really doing the right thing.
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- adrianN 5y ago
  Either you have government action that forces all businesses to adhere to certain rules, or you get the rules that help each business to be as competitive as possible. If there is more profit to be made by shipping stuff from China and there are no global rules discouraging that, than any company which does not do it will eventually be outcompeted.
  - TaylorAlexander 5y ago
    This is a false binary. There is a third way - collectively owned firms or institutions which represent a federation of collectively owned firms. That is the arrangement that I am most interested in and the one where the price is less important than the overall impact to society. Take a look: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy83SW7j-H8ah1 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy83SW...
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >You have to understand, people are freezing to death after sleeping raw because they have no shelter. I assume you understand the reasons there are people who live in an apartment on disability without working, but others are homeless. You may want to spell it out to make sure we are on the same page. I'm wondering if you are drawing on specific personal experience and think you understand the crux of the problem. Could you state it if so. >People are dying because they can't afford medical bills. Which implies that EMTALA, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA, etc. are insufficient, so do you have a specific gap and/or thing to fill the gap in mind? >It's worth asking ourselves if we're really doing the right thing. Saying that to a random person on the internet kind of implies you don't think most people ask themselves that all the time. I'm inclined to assume virtually everyone does.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

Right, but there's no natural law that says we need to structure business or our economy this way. We can form collectives that make decisions based on what the whole group thinks is best. We can federate collectives or make all manner of different arrangements. You have to understand, people are freezing to death after sleeping raw because they have no shelter. People are dying because they can't afford medical bills. It's worth asking ourselves if we're really doing the right thing.

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adrianN 5y ago
Either you have government action that forces all businesses to adhere to certain rules, or you get the rules that help each business to be as competitive as possible. If there is more profit to be made by shipping stuff from China and there are no global rules discouraging that, than any company which does not do it will eventually be outcompeted.
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago
  This is a false binary. There is a third way - collectively owned firms or institutions which represent a federation of collectively owned firms. That is the arrangement that I am most interested in and the one where the price is less important than the overall impact to society. Take a look: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy83SW7j-H8ah1 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy83SW...
perl4ever 5y ago
>You have to understand, people are freezing to death after sleeping raw because they have no shelter. I assume you understand the reasons there are people who live in an apartment on disability without working, but others are homeless. You may want to spell it out to make sure we are on the same page. I'm wondering if you are drawing on specific personal experience and think you understand the crux of the problem. Could you state it if so. >People are dying because they can't afford medical bills. Which implies that EMTALA, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA, etc. are insufficient, so do you have a specific gap and/or thing to fill the gap in mind? >It's worth asking ourselves if we're really doing the right thing. Saying that to a random person on the internet kind of implies you don't think most people ask themselves that all the time. I'm inclined to assume virtually everyone does.