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Fish over crops? We already have crazy shortages of corn and grains world wide [1] (ignore the conspiratorial tone in the video if you don't like it, there are

Fish over crops? We already have crazy shortages of corn and grains world wide [1] (ignore the conspiratorial tone in the video if you don't like it, there are still plenty of objective observations). [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNry6K908xw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNry6K908xw

Barrin92 5y ago
In that case it would probably be great to link to those sources rather than spread disinformation from a channel that apparently thinks Bill Gates is spying on your trash and China is bio-engineering tiny humans. That video is a good example of why not to ignore the 'conspirational tone'.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  Ok, the full list of links to all the articles he referenced are at the bottom of this page [1]. [1]https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/07/21/global-wheat-supplies-short-as-drought-flood-ravage-crops-supply-chain-falters/ https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/07/21/global-wheat-supplie...
treeman79 5y ago
Maybe stop burning our food supply
mistrial9 5y ago
fifty percent food waste in the USA ?
- briefcomment 5y ago
  We export food to places that don't waste as much as well.
colechristensen 5y ago
Go look at the grain futures market and tell me there are “crazy shortages”. Variations in crop production especially regionally are quite normal, perhaps a little irritated because of climate issues, but the conspiracy and exaggeration are not at all necessary.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  Would this not be considered out of the ordinary then [1]? I couldn't care less about the conspiratorial rhetoric. I just think he does a good job of finding and synthesizing interesting news on crops. [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2021/04/28/shrinking-global-grain-supplies-have-little-hope-of-replenishment-until-2022or-beyond/?sh=5edea174378a https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2021/04/28/shrinki...
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    The abnormal is normal with ag production. There’s always a drought or a flood somewhere or over or under supply, market forces and bad predictions. Volatility is normal when you are beholden to the weather, pests, and shifting demand. People choose what to plant or to plant at all in marginal land, they choose cultivars targeting specific weather patterns that are right or wrong, or a weather pattern makes a great year or a terrible one. This is all situation normal. A lot of market analysis is just filling space with words or inventing attribution.
    - briefcomment 5y ago
      I see. So you would say that cutting farmers off from access to water they've had access to before, as stated in the featured article, is reasonable then in the current circumstances?
      - colechristensen 5y ago
        Probably. The status quo of how water is used and where people live and farm in california is inappropriate for the old climate (much less how the climate will change) and how much water there is and where it is. Climate change and population growth are making this worse and the need for people to not live some places and not farm some places seems inevitable. Change is hard but necessary and will involve some difficult choices.
      - resonantjacket5 5y ago
gruez 5y ago
>We already have crazy shortages of corn and grains world wide What makes it a "crazy" shortage? Current wheat future prices is around $700[1]. That's definitely high at the last 5 years, but it's still lower than 2011-2012. If we zoom all the way out, we see that it was peaking at around ~$550 in the 70s-90s. Adjusted for inflation that's anywhere from $850 to $1650 in today's dollars. Was there "crazy shortages" during those time periods? [1] https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=CBOT%3AZW2%21 https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=CBOT%3AZW2%21 edit: fix link

Barrin92 5y ago

In that case it would probably be great to link to those sources rather than spread disinformation from a channel that apparently thinks Bill Gates is spying on your trash and China is bio-engineering tiny humans. That video is a good example of why not to ignore the 'conspirational tone'.

briefcomment 5y ago
Ok, the full list of links to all the articles he referenced are at the bottom of this page [1]. [1]https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/07/21/global-wheat-supplies-short-as-drought-flood-ravage-crops-supply-chain-falters/ https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/07/21/global-wheat-supplie...

treeman79 5y ago

Maybe stop burning our food supply

mistrial9 5y ago

fifty percent food waste in the USA ?

briefcomment 5y ago
We export food to places that don't waste as much as well.

colechristensen 5y ago

Go look at the grain futures market and tell me there are “crazy shortages”. Variations in crop production especially regionally are quite normal, perhaps a little irritated because of climate issues, but the conspiracy and exaggeration are not at all necessary.

briefcomment 5y ago
Would this not be considered out of the ordinary then [1]? I couldn't care less about the conspiratorial rhetoric. I just think he does a good job of finding and synthesizing interesting news on crops. [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2021/04/28/shrinking-global-grain-supplies-have-little-hope-of-replenishment-until-2022or-beyond/?sh=5edea174378a https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2021/04/28/shrinki...
- colechristensen 5y ago
  The abnormal is normal with ag production. There’s always a drought or a flood somewhere or over or under supply, market forces and bad predictions. Volatility is normal when you are beholden to the weather, pests, and shifting demand. People choose what to plant or to plant at all in marginal land, they choose cultivars targeting specific weather patterns that are right or wrong, or a weather pattern makes a great year or a terrible one. This is all situation normal. A lot of market analysis is just filling space with words or inventing attribution.
  - briefcomment 5y ago
    I see. So you would say that cutting farmers off from access to water they've had access to before, as stated in the featured article, is reasonable then in the current circumstances?
    - colechristensen 5y ago
      Probably. The status quo of how water is used and where people live and farm in california is inappropriate for the old climate (much less how the climate will change) and how much water there is and where it is. Climate change and population growth are making this worse and the need for people to not live some places and not farm some places seems inevitable. Change is hard but necessary and will involve some difficult choices.
    - resonantjacket5 5y ago

gruez 5y ago

>We already have crazy shortages of corn and grains world wide What makes it a "crazy" shortage? Current wheat future prices is around $700[1]. That's definitely high at the last 5 years, but it's still lower than 2011-2012. If we zoom all the way out, we see that it was peaking at around ~$550 in the 70s-90s. Adjusted for inflation that's anywhere from $850 to $1650 in today's dollars. Was there "crazy shortages" during those time periods? [1] https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=CBOT%3AZW2%21 https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=CBOT%3AZW2%21 edit: fix link